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Reality check: Trump pledged to end the program in 2016.

Called it. When push comes to shove, Trump is always going to side with the ultra-rich.

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

Of course because hes a subby wubby bottom cuck boy so he does what master says

[-] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

350 million people in the US and none of them are talented enough for this guy. The government had 350 million chances to educate and professionalize, and here we are outsourcing to India because Musk isn't happy with the current crop.

Lmao

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

H1B workers kept Twitter from imploding. They couldn’t quit unless they had a new job lined up. They couldn’t complain about having to sleep in the office or they might get deported.

Native US workers could just walk out.

This is why Muskrat loves visa workers

[-] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 day ago

That's because this crop doesn't want to work for tree fiddy and on 4h of sleep every day. How is he gonna wipe his tears with money if he has to pay people?

[-] bitchkat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

We don't want to work for him or for what he's offering.

[-] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

And of course is has nothing to do with talent and training at all, the US (and many others) created the system where you put yourself into huge debts to get the education the companies need from you, and then they also don't want to pay you a wage that will allow you to live comfortably and crawl out of that debt.

So then they buy the government and arrange for people with similar education, who are more desperate, less informed of labour laws and unable to switch jobs when they get here.

[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Right?

Let there be no mistake, it's not about talent so much as it is about keeping wages low. Many tech companies do this explicitly, especially since interest rates rose and investing money stopped being free.

Anecdotally, I was at a company and was instructed not to hire in the US. I could choose Montréal, a few countries in Europe, or Isreal.

US was off limits, not enough budget.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Many of them have been doing this shit since the 90s. When I read about how "we no find coderz in the U.S!" I know it's complete horse manure. I suppose there are some niche fields where it might actually be hard to source certain types of engineers or what have you.

But seriously, programming? You cannot find that locally? GTFO with that...

For a brief blip there I hoped that agent orange might actually blow up H-1B, even if for the wrong reasons, but this outcome (moneyed interests calling the tune) is entirely expected, I guess. Even if his racist base haaaaaates it.

[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Wow, he didn't even wait until inauguration to stab his dipshit cultists in the back...

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago

The president made a statement, and trump agreed.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 193 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

President Musk wins again.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 108 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its actually very worrying.

He's already killed a budget bill and defied a MAGA bread and butter policy issue, for his obvious benefit, back-to-back with zero real pushback. His bounds seem basically unlimited.

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 day ago

Defied MAGA bread and butter

Lol, he's done with MAGA. He got his term, he has no further use for his supporters or their agenda. Discard them like toilet paper.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

It’s not like he wanted his fan base to ever be let into his country clubs.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago

I'm predicting that Musk will be fired within a year of Trump's reign.

Didn't r/legaladvice have an ongoing betting pool of who was going to get fired next?

Maybe we need to start one here.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 28 points 1 day ago

It's not obvious Trump can fire him. Musk didn't only contribute to the Trump campaign, but also brought in tech billionaire friends. Earlier in the year, the GOP National Convention was running on pocket change. It's quite possible Musk brought in the cash they desperately needed, and they expect a return on that investment.

Trump might have needed a reminder about who is actually in charge.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 23 points 1 day ago

Trump doesn't care about the Republican party. Nor does he honour agreements. Hell use them while they benefit him, financially or otherwise. Then dump them when it suits him to. He expects loyalty, he doesn't give it. The question is will this happen before or after musk gets what he wants. Or if musk just wants power and has not got a single objective.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 17 points 1 day ago

He can ignore the little people. He can't ignore the people who saved his campaign. Even though this is his last term (probably), they can chew him up in other ways if he doesn't fall in line.

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[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

That's the thing isn't it? You can't actually buy political influence, the closest you can get is the wink and nudge.
The only lever they have is threatening to not donate again.

Trump doesn't care if they donate to the GOP again. He's not running again. Musk and friends have served their purpose, or very nearly so. The promise of their donations can be leveraged to get the votes needed to ensure appointments that can help keep trump in power or out of jail at the end of his term, be they administrative, judicial or military.

Money can be useful to power, but it's not itself power.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 11 points 1 day ago

"Hey, Clarence, how you doing? Virgina doing OK? Good, good. Hey, I was just thinking, my wife and I were going to use the yacht this weekend, but we had something else come up. It's all stocked and fueled, and it'd be a shame if it went to waste. Would you and Virginia like to get away? Ok, excellent, I'll let the crew know.

"Oh, and Thomas, you know that big ruling on Trump's boarder plan? Yeah, make sure it doesn't go the President's way. Yes, of course, I'll make sure there's plenty of eyebrow torture porn on the shipboard theater."

They have plenty of levers against Trump.

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[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Trump was always going to side with moneyed interests. Though he is certainly racist, he doesn't care about his supporters or what they want. His in-group is crass wealth.

[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 day ago

Trump didn’t even hesitate to kiss the ring. Immigration is his number one issue. He killed the bipartisan bill to run on it. Elon snaps his fingers, and Trump publicly supports his pro-immigration position, which legitimately devalues American workers to create indentured servitude for highly-skilled workers from abroad. The H1B guys were the ones working at Twitter until 2am, while their boss was on drug binges, and sleeping in cots in their offices.

I don’t think Trump even kissed Putin’s ass this much. I hate Trump, but I never thought of him as not having balls, especially against a fucking moron like Elon.

[-] shield_gengar@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Oh no damn that sucks; sad I thought he cared about you :(

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

Now his minions will struggle to change their rhetoric to figure out how they agree with him.

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Like I told my buddy earlier. Give Murdoch 2 weeks and they'll fall in line.

[-] 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee 59 points 1 day ago

Looks like Musk has the dirt on how the election was actually won. He has all the leverage he needs.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Musk does apparently have a spy network, too. There was a podcast series on it....Elon's Spies.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago

Or trump just sides with the money. It's not always a conspiracy and it's a disservice to believe there is.

[-] GenXLiberal@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I think it is exactly this simple: money.

The entire congress can be bought either outright or with the threat of a primary challenger that is extremely well funded. That will get whoever the ultra-rich wants in line.

We are entirely screwed. I hope I’m wrong though.

[-] MrVilliam@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I had a conversation with a coworker about this a while ago. He said that something he liked about trump was that he already had money so he wouldn't be able to be bought. I said that he has it exactly backwards. The kind of people who amass that amount of wealth in our society have felt the power of large wealth firsthand and know that more money is always better for them. Increasing the number in their bank account becomes exponentially more important, the higher it goes. The wealthy have proven their utmost allegiance to wealth, so they'll be the first to sell out.

There's an exchange in The Simpsons that has never stopped being relevant:

  • You know, Mr. Burns, you're the richest guy I know. Way richer than Lenny.
  • Oh, yes. But I'd trade it all for a little more.

Imagine betting that your prepper neighbor with 30 guns won't buy a 31st gun "because he already has so many".

[-] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The man sent a literal mob to attack the capital, has been convicted of multiple crimes, and openly admitted to more. Teflon Don doesn't care about dirt.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

Not necessarily. Trump can't pass legislation without Republican support in Congress, and those peope have their own values (and bribery goals). All of this before he takes power, and his power is only good for the next two years anyway.

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 1 day ago

America's ultra racists crying in tears

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Also me, though. I was hoping H1B visa status would die a well deserved death. It's basically indistinguishable from indentured servitude and causes massive issues in having a free and equitable labor market.

I don't personally agree with any limits on immigration but if we're going to have limits then everyone we admit should be treated no different from a citizen in most ways - they shouldn't be tied to specific employers or anything else that will cause domestic wage deflation.

Fuck Trump with a rusty dildo - but I was hoping he, and not Elon, came out on top in this one.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Followers aren't abandoning Trump over one issue. TBH Elon will probably tamp this down by manipulating Twitter.

But this is a preview of things to come, as Axios notes.

[-] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TBH Elon will probably tamp this down by manipulating Twitter.

He already is. He's demonetizing any right wing chuds that oppose him on this and they're melting down over it. It's hilarious.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

They'll forgive him as soon as the deportations start.

Hilarious, south african oligarch imports talent to exploit instead of hiring American and the people who voted for his puppet are shocked. Literally everyone tried to tell them it was a grift, so if we all gotta suffer I'm going to be laughing at them the whole way.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sadly, it will not really register with most voters, not just because they're largly ignoring political news:

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/26/politics-cable-news-ratings-trump-ap-poll

But because everyone is stuck in their own little filter bubble of podcasts, algorithmic feeds, influencers and such that color everything.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Oh, so technically this is a repost of https://lemmy.world/post/23634989

The URL has already been posted, but Axios ninja edited the article as events unfolded, as they tend to do. I'm treating this as a new development, but mods, please delete if you think that's prudent.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

President musk clicked his fingers and his trusty hound Trump bounded to his side

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