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Justin Trudeau resigns as Canadian prime minister - live updates (www.bbc.co.uk)
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[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm surprised by the backlash, this is Liberal's only chance. I know it's fun for the armchair political analysts to poke fun at the ones analyzing for money, but we can all see the same writing on the wall. Incumbents are fuckin losing, all around the world, to far-right challengers. The U.S. Democratic tried and utterly failed to change the optics on their party being responsible for corporations using a fucking pandemic as a smokescreen to tighten the clamps of late-stage capitalism with price hikes that will never come down. Liberal still has to find a way to sell change from the status quo if they want to stay in power, so they're taking a gamble. Maybe the issue really was that Biden dropped out too late, or maybe Americans really are dumber than Canadians. Either way, it was take this gamble of have a guaranteed loss. It'll be interesting to see who takes Trudeau's place, and whether they can sell themselves as enough of a difference in the ~8 months they'll have.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

what labor? trudeau is the head of the liberal party

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 4 points 1 day ago

that's my bad, it's early and I got my centrist L parties mixed up.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Goodbye and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ shit, Trudeau

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 113 points 2 days ago

and people scoffed when i said shit's going to get worse worldwide because of trump..

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Melania eye-humped Trudeau three too many times.

[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago

Is that Scummo in the background? LOL.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I like seeing these little glimpses into famous people's lives. Here you can see what an absolute cuck the orange guy is, for example.

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago

And even now, I scoff! But, like, in a "no duh" agreeing kind of way.

The same immigrants who told me not to worry about Trump were the same ones telling me that their homeland was justified in punishing/purging x people because "it's global politics" and that I'm "too American" to understand. The same people who told me that the US president can't affect the rest of the world's politics because "each country has their own independent government."

I swear, if I told these people that I had cancer in my toe, they'd tell me to not get it treated because it's not anywhere important.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago

To my knowledge there have been people here on Lemmy stating that it would be best if he stepped down. Oh gentle Canadian neighbors:

Whaaat is happening up there, my dudes?

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago

Nothing. This is the SAME SHIT THAT HAPPENED IN 1993, except it was a conservative PM then (Mulroney). The last generation of them that cared to be a leader for all sides. Harper was outright an enemy to decency.

Nowadays, the notion of self-sacrifice for utilitarian ethics is a rarified trait; and utterly non-existent on the right of the aisle. Run the thought experiment for yourself and simulate a republican or a conservative candidate doing the right thing. It's good for a laugh.

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Mulroney was simply unpopular, especially about the GST. People fucking HATE Trudeau, a deep visceral feeling he's engendered across the country, and it's not recent. (It's hard to take anyone seriously that calls Harper a threat to decency)

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 17 hours ago

Oh I hated Mulroney too... Conservatives have been slimy and repellent to my sensibilities since about grade 4.

Your lack of ability to take me seriously is, frankly, your own flaw to come to grips with. It doesn't change my ability to vote or who I will vote for, and mine counts the same as yours, Peaches.

[-] Podunk@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Politically speaking, hes doing the right thing. The mandate of the people kind of requires it. Its not good for anything other than the expectations of democracy and the system set up for him and canadian citizens.l as a whole. Like, long term world implications im not thrilled, but the writing is on the walls. Its a "you want to make this bed, fine, sleep in it" sort of situation. He has no mandate now.

I know that i will hate what comes next, and i know it feels like he and his party is rolling over, and i know canadians, much like usa citizens with trump, are playing with a stacked deck. But personally, ill stand here with the odds stacked against. Having faith in the systems we have set up, that we will survive this too.

I believe in a fucking system. Thats why i was not protesting today when trump got certified. Trudeau stepping down is correct. And ill die on the hill that i will help maintain that system. When someone breaks that system however, unlike our brothers to the north, ive got loads of guns and a very ignorant population to convince. But I will abide by our democratic institutions and hold faith in them as far as i can.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, up in Canada, we also have scumbag conservatives. Same as yours, they talk about the cost of everything and the value of nothing. And they work to convince the hillbillies to vote for tax breaks they won't get to offset higher costs they don't mention. And American healthcare.

So now you're up to speed. Rafael Cruz is half-canadian, apparently, and that's the half he is.

Pretty soon we'll have our own Kamal-eh to lose this next election, and hospitals will sell shares.

Would that I could believe otherwise.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

Damn that's sad. So is Jack Layton like our Bernie Sanders? You can't get three Canadians together without them pining over how Jack could have fixed all this.

[-] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Jack Layton was the NDP (New Democratic Party) leader from 2003-2011, in that period we had legit talks of a coalition government after the incumbent Tories lost confidence, parliament was prorogued and those flopped unfortunately. The NDP was the official opposition in 2011, which is a big part of his legacy, unfortunately he passed from cancer several months after the election, managed to pull that from being far behind the liberals entering the campaign, liberal party became a third party and Justin Trudeau became the elected leader of the liberals after that (semi interesting is Bob Rae was the interim leader, he was the NDP premier of Ontario in the 90s that still seems to haunt the provincial NDP somehow)

NDP itself is a social democracy party, its roots are in the CCF (Cooperative Commonwealth Federation), very pro labour, it's the party of Tommy Douglas who is widely credited as being the creator of Medicare in Canada as the premier of Saskatchewan. During Layton's years, they were always very pro privacy and net neutrality amongst other positions that are still 100% applicable today. Mildly interesting, Justin's father Pierre Elliott Trudeau was originally part of the CCF and NDP.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 19 hours ago

That is interesting, thanks

[-] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

Trudeau is poison to the Liberal brand. In Canada we don't vote parties in, we vote parties (and leaders) out. Trudeau has been PM for just over 9 years, the 7th longest serving PM.

What will happen is we'll vote the Cons in, they'll make hilariously huge mistakes like they always do, get 1-2 terms, then get voted out in favour of another Liberal government. If you go back throughout our history we have almost exactly 2-1 Lib - Con governments by time in office.

Poilievre is an anti-abortion career politician who is going to try to ape what Trump did, only every time he speaks he loses votes. He has a whiny voice and is widely referred to as 'Milhouse' because, well, he looks like Milhouse. He's not a strong-man and his public speaking is embarrassing. He'll brown nose Trump as much as he can and absolutely eat it when Trumps policies fuck our economy.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago

This doesn't sound terrible?

In Australia, it feels like the inverse. We generally have conservative governments until they do something particularly abhorrent and lose government for a term.

We're presently enjoying our once-in-a-decade progressive government term and sadly I feel they have squandered their term. They seem determined to ignore the core responsibility of making life better for everyone and instead waste political capital on fanciful notions like banning sheep exports and frivolous changes to the constitution.

[-] spector@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

It's not exactly accurate either. It's not that Trudeau is "poison to the liberal brand". American politics poisoned our politics. It's true we vote out parties but this time the real shit is because of the poison pill of insane American politics.

Back in 2011 the "liberal brand" was that of being relegated to the 3rd place party because they lost the election so bad. Trudeau was plucked out to be party leader. Some say reluctantly because they had no one else to lead it. We will never know the true behind closed doors story.

The liberal brand or whatever was dog shit 20 years ago. Conservatives won the smallest minority government ever. Nobody wanted to vote for liberals. Nobody wanted to vote for conservatives. So the conservatives got about 10 years of government because of apathy.

Trudeau was actually doing fine in roughly the first half of his leadership. Rescued them no longer being one half of the defacto two party system. Economy was doing good. Poverty was going down. Restored the census which conservatives killed off. Removed conservative censorship of scientists. Actual climate change policies. Got legal weed. Actually addressed social issues. Unlike the previous conservative government who were stoking proto-MAGA type divisiveness.

Then the Trump era came into full swing and the conservative party adopted American culture wars. Then COVID and the economic+social fallout hit. So naturally all that is Trudeaus fault.

Whoever is the unfortunate next leader of the liberal party will also be "poison" to the liberal brand. Because that's how Americanized culture war politics works. They will ad hominem the next person to death. Elections will have absolutely zero policy and 100% culture war personal attacks.

In another reality where America doesn't go off the deep end Trudeau maybe even has few more years in office until getting voted out in a boring uneventful election where conservatives win another small minority. But no this is the insane timeline. Conservatives are headed to a resounding majority win because "MAGA" reasons.

[-] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It wasn't so bad when we had Liberals and less neo-Liberals. We've also had Liberal governments that don't fix as many of the Con failures of the past as they used to.

Also our medical is mostly provincial so as they flip Con we are losing more and more Universal healthcare. If you can believe it, we're actually going towards more of the American model each election.

I hope your progressives turn it around a little, because it looks like young males all around the world are leaning fascist.

[-] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

Any reliable source/study on the global male fascist thing? I see it repeated a lot and would love details on how true it might be and why

[-] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

So there's no one-study, one-link, etc, for this. North America has a rise in people joining (and creating) fascist groups - in addition if you look at any Conservative parties voters, they're predominantly male. Here in Canada we have this problem

A lot of this is via Russia, see this fun set of numbers.

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Also with the 'Convoy' which our incoming Conservative Prime Minister marched with.

Worldwide if you look at anywhere that is moving very openly towards fascism, (France, Germany, etc) you'll find the voters of said parties trend male, and young. I haven't saved any links, but someone here might have saved some.

If you don't mind my postulating; the why is that men have been taught for ages now that they're the top, they're the default. Room temperature is what a (middle aged, white) man finds comfortable; drugs weren't tested for women for quite some time; the main 'character' is media is statistically almost always male: image

So then we add in that men are shown that they are more violent towards their partners than women are, and they see people of colour, or women, having programs that help them try to equal out numbers vs. their white/male counterparts, yet their lives were often set to fail by end-stage capitalisms myriad issues such as lack of affordable housing, worsening job conditions, and sociopathic CEO's who will literally get people killed just to make line go up. Then they hear that they actually have it the easiest of all sets of people. So they are trying to match in their head how these two things can both be true; how are they suffering all this negativity and the best-off? They need something to talk about, how they are also discriminated against, so they find anything they can and use it as a wedge issue. Men commit suicide more? Must be because of women. And which ideology says that men are the be-all-, end-all, strongest and best? Fascism. Which promises easy answers to difficult problems? Fascism. Who lets you belong to the in-group, and punishes the out-group? Fascism. So for young men who are never shown other options, and the fact that youtube/social media literally guides young men towards these things (because it causes engagement to go up, you see), means they are more likely to ascribe to them. Socialism requires sacrifice and working as a team, something men have been taught to avoid; it's all about being the rugged individual, the maverick, the solo whatever (at least in my experience and understanding of recent history).

To sum, fascism offers easy answers and the ability to be the in-crowd, while giving you an enemy that is both weak (and thus beatable), but strong (so you don't look like a pussy.)

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the medical industry in Australia is probably similar, sliding away from universal health care.

I mean it's nothing like the US but I do feel that we're headed in the wrong direction.

10 years ago it wasn't hard to find a GP that wouldn't charge you anything on top of the government rebate. Now the rebate is usually about half what the GP is charging.

That said, myself and those in my care have spent a lot of time in hospital over the last few years and we haven't paid a cent for any of that. My partner gave birth to Twins, it was a "complex pregnancy", all fit and well in the end but we spent 3 months in another city to be near a specialist hospital. Govt paid for a nice apartment for us for the whole time, absolutely gold standard care from the miracle workers at that hospital, just amazing honestly.

[-] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

That said, myself and those in my care have spent a lot of time in hospital over the last few years and we haven’t paid a cent for any of that. My partner gave birth to Twins, it was a “complex pregnancy”, all fit and well in the end but we spent 3 months in another city to be near a specialist hospital. Govt paid for a nice apartment for us for the whole time, absolutely gold standard care from the miracle workers at that hospital, just amazing honestly.

That sounds absolutely incredible, absolutely fight with every breath you have to keep that. The right-wing is coming for it, and I'm worried too many of us are complacent and refuse to stand up to it. Good luck, and Love from Canada.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

our medical is mostly provincial

That's intentional. And it's precisely so Harper couldn't fuck it up when he wasn't signing away our rights to our own land. His people can only fuck over a province at a time while we can potentially show off better outcomes from places he hasn't wrecked yet.

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[-] Strykker@programming.dev 59 points 2 days ago

Shits kinda on fire and it's probably like 50% the USs fault.

But we kind of tend to start getting pissy with our pms after about 10 years,

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

Is it 50% our fault in a "look what you made me do" kind of way, or did we actively intervene in something? It's hard to keep up with all the ways we're fucking people these days...

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's the US's fault in the way that taking ownership of your own countries faults is painful.

There's definitely things the US and it's representatives have done that have influenced decisions made by Canadians, but the bed is made primarily by Canadians.

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[-] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Inflation(read: gouging) is a massive problem which isn't being tackled, housing is unaffordable, and the medical systems are underfunded (due in part to the exploitative US system). There's also some conflict in our relations with Mexico which I'm personally pissed about but I don't think most are concerned with.

The opposition party is headed by a far right "populist" who claims the current status quo is "authoritarian socialism" and is supported by Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk.

Liberals are upset with Trudeau for failing to fix the issues listed above and offering no counter to some of the legitimate populist policies Pierre champions.

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago

This is not an issue isolated to Canada, this same story - give or take a few details - is playing out all over the Western world. The liberals are being exposed as lame ducks and losing the support of the people, leaving the faux-populist far right to take their place, in the conspicuous absence - or rather, enforced impotence - of left-populists. The status quo is falling apart and fascism is returning in force, largely unopposed.

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[-] blindsight@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

Proroguing Parliament for 2½ months to pick a new leader isn't a good look for the Liberals on this one, but I can see why they went for it. That's a lot of news cycles for things to cool off before a likely election.

I doubt it will be enough to keep the anti-trans bigot party from winning a majority government, sadly.

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Are you Canadian?

[-] blindsight@beehaw.org 3 points 19 hours ago

Longest I've been out of Canada is a week.

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[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago

So who is Musk going to replace him with?

[-] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago

By the sound of it, his own party gets to pick a new leader to carry out his term. So we may have to wait for their next election before Elon gets can to buy Canada.

I could be completely wrong though I dont know anything about Canadian political systems.

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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

Whoa, what news have I been missing out of Canada?

[-] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Inflation is high, quality of life is slipping, etc. Everyone thinks he should be doing more and the Liberals don't like his odds if an election is called.

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Been a long time coming. Trudeau can’t take a dump without running it by his corporate overlords first. And he flooded the country with more immigration than the infrastructure can handle, simply because his handlers demanded he provide them with cheap & exploitable labor.

But his party is completely corporate captured, and I don’t see them being able to produce anyone better. What’s extremely concerning is some people are floating Freeland as a replacement, who has repeatedly exposed herself as a Nazi sympathizer if not one herself, so there is some level of support in the party for embracing the race towards fascism to appease the corporate class and oppose the growing discontent of the working class.

Too bad NDP is too corrupt and incompetent to provide a better option.

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Just popped in to say: if you're a Nazi sympathizer, you're a Nazi.

Nazis don't leave a lot of room for nuance.

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