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I left Ubuntu when they sent all my dock search history to Amazon. But this time is different, should I leave Fedora considering how much it is developed by Red Hat?

I've actively defended this distribution and Red Hat for many years now and I'm deep in their technology but I want to avoid being a Devil's Advocate.

EDIT: I decided to give it some more time, I'll stay on Kinoite for now, if Red Hat's IBMfication reaches Fedora, I'll switch to Debian assuming we don't have a high quality immutable replacement by then. I've been on /r/opensuse and read rbrownsuse's posts enough times to know MicroOS KDE is NOT a good suggestion, their rebranding doesn't clean up their history.

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[–] mrthp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i just installed Kinoite on my laptop and I really like this distro feels very solid and snappy. i might just do ostree-rpm to rawhide to be on the latest of it at some point.

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

No need to rawhide, Fedora already breaks all by itself every now and then.

[–] Scyther@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think that Fedora will be affected by the changes RedHat has made with RHEL in the near future. It's still a Community Distro. So there is no need to switch right now.

I'm using Silverblue currently, but i'm thinking about hopping to VanillaOS when they switch to Debian as a Base.

[–] Qvest@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Fedora is 100% community distribution with Red Hat as a sponsor and large contributor. Fedora will always be 100% free and open-source and will never charge to make source-code available if that concerns people. This reflects heavily on their Freedom foundation: “[…] a completely free project that anyone can emulate or copy in whole or in part for their own purposes.”

Red Hat may have a grip on resources and funding for the project, but neither IBM nor Red Hat have ultimate decision-making powers.

[–] unix_joe@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If you can switch, switch.

If you can't switch, wait until Fedora is forked to a new project, which is inevitable at this point given how dependent Fedora is on Red Hat for governance (source: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/), and it seems that Red Hat no longer wants Fedora (source: recent pivoting away from the community, and laying off the Fedora project lead in May and terminating the position).

I expect within a few years, you will be able to just change repositories and a signing key, and load whatever community-based Freedora replaces it.

I would avoid openSUSE which just wants to be another Red Hat (Aeon is just a shitty Silverblue and the project lead hates KDE) and SuSE in general has been hostile towards free software in the past and will likely do so again if they had to choose.

Arch, Debian, EndeavourOS, Solus, NixOS are community driven and unlikely to have some kind of corporate/hostile takeover.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

I would avoid openSUSE which just wants to be another Red Hat (Aeon is just a shitty Silverblue and the project lead hates KDE) and SuSE in general has been hostile towards free software in the past and will likely do so again if they had to choose.

That's disappointing to hear. openSuSE is pretty much my go to to recommend new people exactly because from my experience with it it is well maintained but not entangled too much in corporate bullshit. What have they done?

[–] poinck@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here is another one to switch to: Gentoo

[–] unix_joe@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

How could I forget? Thanks. And Slackware, to date myself here.

[–] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seconding Endeavour - Gives you all the benefits of Arch (the wiki, the freakin AUR) without so much of the... Assembly required part. They give you a desktop, a web browser and a firewall and you're off to the races. A perfect in between, IMO.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Arch Linux has archinstall now

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 1 points 2 years ago

This. No diss to Endeavour, but Arch is just as easy using Archinstall

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't need to leave Fedora.

RH will just cut them out soon enough, if you believe the trends.

Best have a plan to move on FROM them, though. Look into parallel porting to PCLinuxOS for now, as it's a VERY similar maintenance routine, and it has a very wide app support window. Their unattended install (ie packer for vagrant or ovirt) is absolute ass, but that's their achilles heel. Ultimately, that may not be a problem for you.

I'd direct you to the PCL/OS lemmy sub, but I think there is none yet.

[–] user8e8f87c@berlin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@corsicanguppy @Raphael Fedora is the beta testing platform for RHEL. Redhat will not cut them out.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

They just announced CentOS is the beta platform.