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Losers exposed, winners relieved. Submit your ballot so we can make sense of it all. Or don't I'm a mod not a cop.

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[-] MaroonMage@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

My poll this week. Computer poll, resume-based, so your name don't matter, your "advanced stats" don't matter, only thing that matters is who you beat and who they beat:

Oklahoma Sooners (LW: 1)
Florida State Seminoles (LW: 5)
Washington Huskies (LW: 6)
North Carolina Tar Heels (LW: 9)
Texas Longhorns (LW: 4)
Michigan Wolverines (LW: 8)
Ohio State Buckeyes (LW: 2)
Penn State Nittany Lions (LW: 3)
James Madison Dukes (LW: 18)
Iowa Hawkeyes (LW: 23)
Alabama Crimson Tide (LW: 7)
Ole Miss Rebels (LW: 19)
Liberty Flames (LW: 22)
Air Force Falcons (LW: NR)
Oregon State Beavers (LW: NR)
Notre Dame Fighting Irish (LW: NR)
Utah Utes (LW: 15)
Georgia Bulldogs (LW: 11)
Missouri Tigers (LW: NR)
Louisville Cardinals (LW: 10)
Duke Blue Devils (LW: NR)
LSU Tigers (LW: 24)
Wisconsin Badgers (LW: 13)
USC Trojans (LW: 17)
Oregon Ducks (LW: 12)

[-] Mayonnaise@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I love this poll.

[-] ToasterOverlord@fanaticus.social 5 points 1 year ago

My ballot. Computer poll. Very glad the good guys are back in the #1 spot (and by a long way, apparently). Still some weirdness from the bye week (e.g. Alabama ahead of Texas) but that should straighten out next week.

::: spoiler Full ranking:

Rank	Change	Team	Record	Points
1	+1	Michigan	7-0	523
2	+4	Notre Dame	6-2	471
3	+3	Florida State	6-0	454
4	-3	Oklahoma	6-0	438
5	-1	USC	6-1	427
6	+2	Georgia	7-0	426
7	-2	Alabama	6-1	422
8	+2	Washington	6-0	419
9	-6	Texas	5-1	416
T10	+8	Ohio State	6-0	393
T10	-1	Texas A&M	4-3	393
12	+5	Penn State	6-0	392
13	-1	Oregon State	6-1	387
14	-	North Carolina	6-0	380
15	-4	Louisville	6-1	378
16	-3	Oregon	5-1	375
17	+6	LSU	5-2	368
18	-4	Maryland	5-2	367
19	+2	Iowa	6-1	362
20	+20	Arizona	4-3	360
21	+3	Duke	5-1	358
22	+10	TCU	4-3	353
23	-5	Fresno State	6-1	352
24	-2	Florida	5-2	346
25	+10	Missouri	6-1	339
26	-6	Texas Tech	3-4	335
27	-3	Colorado	4-3	334
28	+1	Rutgers	5-2	332
29	-2	Kansas	5-2	330
30	+7	Tennessee	5-1	326
31	+3	Liberty	6-0	325
32	+10	Virginia Tech	3-4	324
33	-5	Wisconsin	4-2	323
34	-20	Ole Miss	5-1	320
35	-9	Kentucky	5-2	319
36	+2	Miami (OH)	6-1	315
37	+23	Iowa State	4-3	307
38	+4	Toledo	6-1	306
39	-6	Ohio	5-2	304
T40	+22	Kansas State	4-2	303
T40	-	Miami (FL)	4-2	303
42	+4	Arkansas	2-5	298
T43	+20	Utah	5-1	296
T43	+14	Troy	5-2	296
45	-1	Texas State	5-2	293
T46	+6	Air Force	6-0	288
T46	-15	Purdue	2-5	288
48	+5	Northern Illinois	3-4	287
49	+1	UCLA	4-2	286
50	-20	Clemson	4-2	277
51	+2	Louisiana Tech	3-5	276
52	+13	Illinois	3-4	275
53	-	California	3-4	273
54	+5	Wyoming	5-2	271
T55	-5	Jacksonville State	5-2	270
T55	+2	NC State	4-3	270
57	-13	Syracuse	4-3	269
58	+10	New Mexico State	4-3	267
59	-24	South Alabama	3-3	266
60	+12	West Virginia	4-2	264
61	+22	JMU	6-0	263
62	-24	Nebraska	3-3	262
63	-	Vanderbilt	2-6	259
T64	+21	UNLV	5-1	258
T64	-16	Washington State	4-2	258
T66	+24	SMU	4-2	257
T66	+19	UTSA	3-3	257
T68	+24	Oklahoma State	4-2	254
T68	-3	Utah State	3-4	254
70	+13	Tulane	5-1	252
T71	+17	Eastern Michigan	4-3	250
T71	+18	Houston	3-3	250
73	-27	Georgia Tech	3-3	247
T74	+6	Boise State	3-4	246
T74	+35	Pittsburgh	2-4	246
76	-27	UCF	3-3	245
77	+18	Georgia State	5-1	244
78	-13	Auburn	3-3	242
79	-3	Memphis	4-2	240
T80	-27	Minnesota	3-3	239
T80	+1	Wake Forest	3-3	239
82	-6	Marshall	4-2	238
83	-15	BYU	4-2	237
84	-24	Louisiana	4-2	233
85	-10	Georgia Southern	4-2	231
86	+32	FAU	3-3	230
87	+5	Buffalo	2-5	227
T88	+9	Appalachian State	3-3	226
T88	+25	San Jose State	2-5	226
90	+14	South Carolina	2-4	225
91	+15	Bowling Green	3-4	223
92	+13	Central Michigan	4-3	221
93	+5	Cincinnati	2-4	216
94	+1	Army	2-4	214
T95	-25	Mississippi State	3-3	213
T95	-25	Old Dominion	3-3	213
T97	-25	Boston College	3-3	212
T97	+10	Coastal Carolina	3-3	212
T99	-25	Western Kentucky	4-2	211
T99	-21	Massachusetts	1-7	211
101	+14	UTEP	2-5	210
T102	+21	UNT	3-3	209
T102	-1	FIU	3-4	209
T102	+12	San Diego State	3-4	209
105	-5	UAB	2-5	208
106	-28	Northwestern	3-3	207
T107	-22	USF	3-4	206
T107	+9	Michigan State	2-4	206
109	+28	Rice	3-3	202
110	+2	Akron	1-6	199
T111	-1	Hawaii	2-5	197
T111	+9	Middle Tennessee	2-5	197
T111	-21	Connecticut	1-5	197
114	-7	Western Michigan	2-5	196
T115	+2	Colorado State	3-3	195
T115	-5	Sam Houston	0-6	195
117	-23	Arizona State	1-5	191
118	+9	Navy	3-3	188
T119	+10	Stanford	2-4	183
T119	-20	Virginia	1-5	183
121	-19	Tulsa	3-3	179
122	-19	Baylor	2-4	178
123	+2	Charlotte	1-5	166
124	-2	Temple	2-5	165
125	-6	Indiana	2-4	161
126	+2	ECU	1-5	156
127	-2	New Mexico	2-4	155
128	+2	Ball State	1-6	154
129	-8	Arkansas State	3-3	148
130	+3	UL Monroe	2-4	143
131	-7	Southern Mississippi	1-5	142
132	-	Kent State	1-6	135
133	-2	Nevada	0-6	134

[-] merikus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Notre at #2. Very spicy, I like it.

I think they’re a lot better than most people give them credit for. I also think Georgia is nowhere near as good as it ranks nationally—I think your #6 makes sense here.

[-] ToasterOverlord@fanaticus.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, ND has played a whopping 8 games which definitely skews the data. If you average it down to 7 games played, they would be about 12th and if you bring them to 6 it puts them about 24th. I think if I were doing this by eye test, I'd have them somewhere in the 10 to 15 range.

Georgia at 6 finally feels like the computer finally placed them in the right spot (early in the season it had them at 1 and at one point as low as 24, I think). I probably would rather see Washington ahead of them rather than USC, though.

[-] merikus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I’m curious about your computer poll. How did you set it up?

[-] ToasterOverlord@fanaticus.social 4 points 1 year ago

I described it a bit in this comment. There's also some pre-season expectations that get factored in for the first 4 weeks and then it stands on its own in week 5.

I feel like mid-season it can be kind of weird, but it usually feels right at the end each year. For example, in this post I included a screenshot of my top 40 at the end of last season.

[-] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

who tf we gotta beat to get ranked on your poll?

[-] ToasterOverlord@fanaticus.social 4 points 1 year ago

Lol. Beat (highly) ranked teams by a lot and you'll jump up. (Beating A&M by 1 score didn't do that much.) So I'd say beat Alabama and Georgia and you're good.

In case you're really wondering why the Vols are so low: they're being dragged down by that Austin Peay game... LET'S GO PEAY!

[-] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah... that was not pretty. I don't really blame your model for that.

[-] MaroonMage@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Beat Bama and I bet you'll get in there.

[-] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Don't tempt me with a good time

[-] MaroonMage@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I appreciate you ranking my Aggies all the way up at 10, I definitely don't see how we deserve that.

[-] ToasterOverlord@fanaticus.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I keep wondering if I made a mistake inputting the data with y'all. It always has A&M (and Texas) really high every year even when either of us underperform (which is pretty often). It must speak to the talent on our teams due to the numbers they put up and the fact they rarely have bad losses.

Looks like your computer poll and mine are built around opposite philosophies. I think it's great the community is getting a variety of methods. And we certainly need human polls/eye tests to balance out some of the weirdness our algorithms create (like JMU in the top 10??)

[-] MaroonMage@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think that describes A&M this season (every season?) really well: they have good talent, but they underperform. So if your algorithm is looking more at potential, recruiting ranks, stat rankings, then A&M should be good on paper. We just don't win the games.

And yes, JMU in particular has been giving me heartburn every week questioning the validity of my poll. But just to provide a comparison, the average ranking of the teams JMU has beaten is 80.0 (based on my rankings) whereas the average ranking of the teams Georgia has beaten is 99.3, so it makes sense JMU gets the higher rank for now (fun fact: Georgia has the lowest strength of schedule of all the undefeated teams, hence their low ranking). Since my system doesn't care at all about expectations/stats/brand name/eye test and is only based on comparing wins/losses, weird rankings like that will happen even though I know if JMU and Georgia played it wouldn't be close. But those oddities tend to go away as the season progresses.

Definitely agree, it's fun that everyone has a different way of slicing the rankings and everyone's poll is different. It gives us something to compare and argue about, and a lot of the fun of college football is arguing about rankings.

[-] merikus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just voted for the first time. I based it on the AP Poll but made a number of changes based on vibes. Basically when it went below the top ten it started feeling like a crapshoot, though.

[-] g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again, vibes are a very real thing in cfb.

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