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So sugars make you fat, gotcha.
*refined sugars
The article says nothing about the sugars being refined and even references animals in hibernation which clearly don't consume refined sugars. Neither the article nor the full text from the journal even mentions the word "refined".
Oh i thought fructose was calorie free... /s
You joke but we have been sold a pack of lies for years that carbs/sugar is good for us and fat, salt, etc us bad and causes high blood pressure, heart disease, etc. Some of us have known the truth for decades. I still get push back when I bring this up online. Too many people still believe fat kills you and that we need carbs in high doses to live.
The truth is too much of anything is bad for us.
This is an oversimplification and downplays just how bad carbs actually are.
It's extremely easy to overeat/consume carbs, sugar, etc because of how your body reacts to it. On the other hand its extremely hard to overeat protein because you will be full and uncomfortable.
Do yourself a favor and stop using this nonsense argument. It makes you look like a fool and downplays just how bad sugar is for the human body.
Thank you for calling it out, I have given up trying to explain the role of carbs and how it spike our level of insulin to people.
I get those in real-life too. "They say everything is bad", "Calories are calories", "They will say something different next year".
Meanwhile, the same people gasp when I cook with butter and healthy oils.
I'm glad someone else actually gets it.
For anyone else reading this, after years of doing my own version of keto (before I knew keto was a thing) I notice a difference when I let myself binge on crap food. I feel a lot better in a lot of ways when I eat mostly steaks with a bit of fat on them.
For some tmi, I've noticed bigger and stronger erections when I am eating low to no carbs and am heavy on fat and protein and it's noticeable in the other direction when I have a few sugar/carb heavy days. I'm 42 and my wife and I regularly go at it 2-3x/day and I've had plenty of days where I was good for 6 rounds. I wouldn't be able to do that if I was eating a carb heavy diet and there are a ton of guys younger than me that think a few times a week is pushing it.
Yeah I was on a Keto diet for a short while, it is hard to describe but it really feels obvious when you're out of the sugar roller coaster that there is something deeply wrong with it, and that we're all collectively so addicted to sugars that we don't even realize that this is killing us, and that the sensible thing to do is to actually eat what we've been told not to.
It is hard to describe, but it's like living to the full potential of your stored energy for the first time, like having your body go in normal mode instead of feast mode. It does not surprise me that it makes a difference in your sexual life too, it affects pretty much everything, including your brain and sex organs.
Yeah, I'm not surprised by the many many positive effects from low carb high protein. I mentioned the ones I did for any passersby who may need to read it.
Not surprising, and HFCS has been put into a ton of food to sweeten it.
But as long as it’s the cheaper option I don’t see companies changing it for anything else.
Hey if it's fruit or a pack of gummy worms, I'm probably better off eating fruit right?
Yes. It contains fiber and micro nutrients that gummy worms will not have. Skip the juice though. Drink water instead.
Then just eat fruit instead of refined fructose.
The study doesn't make any discussion about "refined fructose" AFAICT. So I don't see how that would make a difference. They even reference the fact that it happens to hibernating animals, which are obviously eating fruits and natural fructose and not refined fructose.
They don't seem to have studied the differences at all so I'm not sure you can draw any conclusion like you did. I think it would be a far more interesting study to see the effects of fructose which is still encased in its dietary fiber vs processed fructose. There are definitely a lot of indications out there that there's a big difference but I haven't seen a good study yet directly comparing the two.
I always thought this was common knowledge, despite propaganda fielded by the Corn Refiners Association of America or whoever was paying for those TV-run ads trying to advocate for high-fructose corn syrup.
Yes, my body is just preparing for hibernation…
Some of us have known that for decades. I've been following keto as a way to eat before I even knew keto existed. The other place has a keto sub not sure if there is one here yet.
Low carb, high protein and fat to satiety is the way to eat ad be healthy long term. Diets such as keto have been shown to reverse pre-diabetics and the less extreme diabetes where your body doesn't know how to handle the glucose anymore.
when your body doesn’t know how to handle the glucose anymore.
Anymore is probably the key word here. And for younger beeple, I would suggest wondering why is that. Is it not possible to keep your carbohydrate metabolic pathways strong and healthy, like you keep.. I don't know, your lungs? Do you have to destroy your pancreas before you learn to eat properly?
Low carb, high protein and fat to satiety is the way to eat ad be healthy long term.
Its one way, and pretty limiting too if you consider a life without supplements. For that reason alone I am pretty certain its not the only way, as long as someone is actually healthy. How many people are actually healthy and why, is a very interesting discussion.
But I love fruit 😭 nooooooo
There's nothing wrong with eating fruit. This is one study and the interaction of diet and metabolism in individuals is complex.
What's the alternative? Bread? 😂
There's actually people out there who live as fruitarians. Got to brush the teeth a lot I bet.
I am eating something like 400grams of watermelon as I read this study. My feet hurt a little, its been a long ride, almost 3,5 hours (no snacks) on the bike. 80+ km distance, 1300+ meters of elevation. I keep wondering, does that count as hibernation? Will I become obese until I get 40 (getting close)? Will my (lower than 15% atm) bodyfat increase? Is it only the few grams of fructose in watermelon, or is it sorbitol (produces small fatty acids when eaten in moderation) too? What about lycopene (makes my sperm diagrams look like I am in my 20ies)? Oooof, all those studies, really, make me worry! At least I 'm safe, in the winter there is really no watermelon for poor me that doesn't shop fruit out of season. Maybe that's the secret and I don't get fat? Who knows !!
This entire topic, and the scientific data surrounding it, is truly pretty complex and nuanced.
https://youtu.be/K4Ze-Sp6aUE?t=7914
This links to a 10 minute or so section of the (very long in total) Huberman Labs podcast with Layne Norton going over processed food, sugar, and the obesity epidemic, and how we haven't really done a good job educating people on the way sugar is interacting with CICO and the epidemic.
I think a lot of people curious about the subject can learn a lot from just that segment.
First of all, this guy claims he is natural. Does his body composition look natural to you? I really find it difficult to consider advice about health from people who use PEDS to support more muscle mass than their frame (and accompanying gonads with it) can naturally support (I hope you know there is a limit on that).
Second, I watched this part, about the study that shows no difference between low sugar and not-so-low sugar. It takes years of continued abuse of how insulin works (or less time when completely being idle) to start developing problems with your pancreas. A few weeks don't seem like enough, especially if the rest of the food is properly structured. I am curious to see more, if you can find the study mentioned.
Third, and this is why I have a hard time trusting PED mutants discussing food & health, what he is talking about when he speaks about plant protein, especially when it comes to leucine, is just not right.
Take for example chickpeas . I use this link, for two reasons. One is that this is coming from a quite reliable calculation approach for aminoacids (the site is a front-end for this database, where you can learn more about how they calculate amino-acid profiles). The second is because it is easier to calculate the quantities before cooking (which wikipedia doesn't).
So, let's take the RDA for adults, which is 42mg/kg. I am 84 kg (with low enough body fat so that you can see most of my muscle definition, an athlete). This means that I need 3528mg of leucine, or 3,528 grams. One meal (which I really have no issue digesting, I hit the road with my bike half an hour after the meal, quite often) of chickpeas contains (I always measure before cooking and split in meals) 150grams+ of chickpeas. Which is 1.29 X 1.5=1.935, or 1,9 of leucine. Most legumes and beans have similar or higher quantities of leucine*. This is one meal of the 3 I eat in a day. I can tell you with absolute certainty (because I 've spent quite some time calculating what my food contains) that I get more than enough leucine between breakfast and a legume/bean meal (all of it plant based).
Let's look at the other part of his statement. Which is "you might need an isolated form of protein". Look at the RDA again. According to the RDA I need ~ 3,5g, why should I get 3 or 4 times this from an isolated form of protein powder (super processed "food" btw)?
*Since leucine is the amino-acid mentioned, a few examples (in dried form, which is what I find easier to weight before cooking):
- chickpeas 1.29g / 100g -> 1.935g per meal for me or 54% of the RDA
- white beans 1.87g / 100g -> 2.805g per meal for me or 79% of the RDA
- lentils: 1.87 g / 100g -> 2.805g per meal for me or 79% of the RDA
- cranberry beans 1.84g / 100g -> 2.760g per meal for me or 78% of the RDA
So... what gives?
If you want, I can show you why what he said about BCAA's is not true either. It really is not that hard, takes less time than the segments I just watched. Him being an expert on nutrition, shouldn't allow him to spread this kind of information. Unless he cares about turning a profit from this.
I 'll try to refrain from commenting on all the manipulative comments he made when talking about obesity, cause I 'll get really negative. But I will say this, it's really depressing how people who actually care about improving the condition of their bodies, fall into these traps for years.
this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2023
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