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Tech Guidelines For Europeans (ieji.de)

submitted 1 day ago by vesi@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Tech Guidlines For Europeans

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[–] loics2@lemm.ee 5 points 18 hours ago

These posts are already beginning to be tiring. It's always the same software, and always the same arguments against some of the choices.

Ditching open source projects for corporate European stuff doesn't solve anything, it just moves the problem. How can you be sure that every country in the EU won't break some trade deals and leave the EU at some point? And closed source software is not better at protecting your privacy if that's what you want.

And the "European based forks/open source projects"(whatever that means) is a stupid argument. For example, cryptography experts pointed out issues in threema, so why recommend it instead of signal which is open source projects, and by definition, not tied to a country?

And finally, I think we should stop recommending LLMs altogether. They're an ecological and sociological disaster.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Mistral --> pseudo-open-source

Linux --> not relates to Europe (but amazing choice)

Vivaldi --> only source available

[–] vesi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

It is not only about being european but also about being digitally sovereign

[–] coffeetastesbadlikecoffee@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From Wikipedia of Qwant:

Restructuring

In May 2019, Qwant announced that it would migrate its servers to an infrastructure based on Microsoft Azure, and also keep some of its indexing capacity on its infrastructure.[22]

Not only that, but they base their results almost entirely off of MS Bing.

So idk, but not that european other than data privacy.

[–] vesi@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Now it is working together with Ecosia on an Europan Search engine

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is using a fork of something really an actual solution? It's still enabling the dominance of the original corporation.

I dunno, maybe it is, but it sure doesn't seem like it to me

[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean Vivaldi?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

In specific for this, yes. But also in general

[–] terminhell@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been using Vivaldi more and more. Been aware of it for years, even used it back in beta. It's almost too kustomizable. It boarders on being an OS with how much is built in.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vivaldi is based on Chromium. When Google kills manifest v2 in a few months, Vivaldi will be forced to follow. They can't maintain a full fork. So, no more uBlock in Vivaldi.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been meaning to do more testing with it's built in blocking. Guess we'll have to see when the time comes.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

if you want to test it by seeing how many ads do pages have after, I just want to point out that ublock is much more than an ad filter. you won't notice by looking at the website if vivaldi does not block data mining content anymore

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish that Vivaldi was open source and not proprietary.

[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

I agree, but knowing it’s from Norway makes me feel more comfortable with the idea of using it than if it was made in the US…. (And I’m American…)

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

both Qwant and Ecosia are working with Microsoft. Not so European.

Monocles is SearX, which basically is boogle, bing &c behind a shroud. Like Leta also is.

Mojeek is the only "European" alternative, it seems

[–] Graf_Fiker@kbin.earth 6 points 1 day ago

if I recall right Ecosia and Qwant joining together to build a new Search Engine without the use of Bing and Google

[–] ClusterBomb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

+1 for Mojeek. I use it on a daily basis.

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Europe was trying to add censorship to all these software stacks. Maybe they should use Chinese software so that its already in place?

https://signal.org/blog/pdfs/upload-moderation.pdf

[+] doodledup@lemmy.world -25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Mistral sucks. Vivaldi is Chromium. Linux has terrible user experience.

[–] j4yt33@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mistral is fine. Librewolf is Firefox. Linux has great UX if you choose the right distro

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I tried Ubuntu, Pop, Mint, Xubuntu. They all have problems. Most of these problems like software or driver support are probably not their fault. But they are problems nontheless. I cannot recommend Linux as a daily driver for non-techsavy users.

[–] pogmommy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Not to discredit your experiences with Linux but you just listed Ubuntu four times

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I hope you don't try windows cause you'll find even more problems

[–] j4yt33@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

I'm using Pop and I've definitely had fewer problems than using Windows, and while I've tried others in the past that have been pretty fiddly (looking at you Ubuntu), there hasn't been a single thing that any normal user wouldn't have been able to deal with so far

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

it has a great UX, it's just picky about who its users are

[+] doodledup@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's awesome for software devs, sys admins, tinkerers. But that's it. Most distros still have too many issues for me to recommend it to every Windows user.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No, Linux is also great for tech illiterate people who just need a browser and e-mail. It's only hard for people who think they know computers but really only know some Windows

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I tend to agree. but how do you automatize updates? tech illiterate people won't open the shell, and apt upgrade.

with some distros like mint and opensuse there's a paved way to set this up with a gui, but even that is just small updates. what will the user do with major distribution upgrades?

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 1 points 1 hour ago

Most distros have automated updates, or ask to update on power-off. Debian and all derivatives do. As for major updates, I do those for my tech illiterate family. It's not like they can do that themselves, but they wouldn't be able to upgrade Windows themselves either.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Well first thing my mom asked me was where she can run Office. Second thing she asked was how she can go back to Windows as it has Office already installed.

[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with that for daily tasks it's great and easy. It works until you try to connect an exotic device in the game or just use a external device most of the time you will have to do it manually or it will just doesn't work.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On the gripping hand, if you're trying to connect an older external device, you're more likely to get it working eventually under Linux (which usually keeps device drivers until they bit-rot out of the kernel tree) than Windows (whose drivers are version-specific and only get ported forward if the manufacturer thinks there's money in it). Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned, and device setup is a thing you should only have to do rarely anyway.

[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The peripherals were mostly dead before it reach the end of support in windows. It's just plug and play for thousands of periphericals (gaming, music, etc...).

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 hour ago

The peripherals were mostly dead before it reach the end of support in windows.

Not my experience at all—I have stuff 20+ years old that's still in working order. Maybe you're particularly hard on your peripherals.

[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What issues? And does Linux have more issues than Windows or different ones?

Often Windows has more issues, people have just gotten used to dealing with them.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

I'm with you on the first two, but disagree on the last. To each their own I guess.

[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay, so go on... instead of only listing negatives, what are the alternatives to each of these that you use?