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Tech Guidelines For Europeans (ieji.de)
submitted 3 days ago by vesi@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/58733010

Tech Guidlines For Europeans

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[–] loics2@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

These posts are already beginning to be tiring. It's always the same software, and always the same arguments against some of the choices.

Ditching open source projects for corporate European stuff doesn't solve anything, it just moves the problem. How can you be sure that every country in the EU won't break some trade deals and leave the EU at some point? And closed source software is not better at protecting your privacy if that's what you want.

And the "European based forks/open source projects"(whatever that means) is a stupid argument. For example, cryptography experts pointed out issues in threema, so why recommend it instead of signal which is open source projects, and by definition, not tied to a country?

And finally, I think we should stop recommending LLMs altogether. They're an ecological and sociological disaster.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Mistral --> pseudo-open-source

Linux --> not relates to Europe (but amazing choice)

Vivaldi --> only source available

[–] vesi@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

It is not only about being european but also about being digitally sovereign

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is using a fork of something really an actual solution? It's still enabling the dominance of the original corporation.

I dunno, maybe it is, but it sure doesn't seem like it to me

[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You mean Vivaldi?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

In specific for this, yes. But also in general

[–] coffeetastesbadlikecoffee@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

From Wikipedia of Qwant:

Restructuring

In May 2019, Qwant announced that it would migrate its servers to an infrastructure based on Microsoft Azure, and also keep some of its indexing capacity on its infrastructure.[22]

Not only that, but they base their results almost entirely off of MS Bing.

So idk, but not that european other than data privacy.

[–] vesi@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

Now it is working together with Ecosia on an Europan Search engine

[–] terminhell@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've been using Vivaldi more and more. Been aware of it for years, even used it back in beta. It's almost too kustomizable. It boarders on being an OS with how much is built in.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Vivaldi is based on Chromium. When Google kills manifest v2 in a few months, Vivaldi will be forced to follow. They can't maintain a full fork. So, no more uBlock in Vivaldi.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been meaning to do more testing with it's built in blocking. Guess we'll have to see when the time comes.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

if you want to test it by seeing how many ads do pages have after, I just want to point out that ublock is much more than an ad filter. you won't notice by looking at the website if vivaldi does not block data mining content anymore

[–] terminhell@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Fair enough. I also run a local pihole too with a fairly extensive lists. (~2.2mil). It's mostly a concern for work. We have freedom of browser choices, but extensions are monitored. Though I can't make use of pihole on my work laptop.

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish that Vivaldi was open source and not proprietary.

[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

I agree, but knowing it’s from Norway makes me feel more comfortable with the idea of using it than if it was made in the US…. (And I’m American…)

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

both Qwant and Ecosia are working with Microsoft. Not so European.

Monocles is SearX, which basically is boogle, bing &c behind a shroud. Like Leta also is.

Mojeek is the only "European" alternative, it seems

[–] Graf_Fiker@kbin.earth 6 points 3 days ago

if I recall right Ecosia and Qwant joining together to build a new Search Engine without the use of Bing and Google

[–] ClusterBomb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago

+1 for Mojeek. I use it on a daily basis.

[–] Blemgo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Honestly, due to how it's a paid app, I don't see any viable mass adoption. Possibly great for a professional/corporate setting, but considering that Signal is free and some people already have a hard time leaving WhatsApp, it'd be hard to convince anyone to pay for a messaging app.

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Europe was trying to add censorship to all these software stacks. Maybe they should use Chinese software so that its already in place?

https://signal.org/blog/pdfs/upload-moderation.pdf