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[–] egrets@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The article doesn't mention what happens if non-citizens decline, but The Guardian says:

For visa holders and travelers from visa waiver countries, they are at risk of being denied entry if they refuse to unlock devices

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which is really dumb IMO, because if a cop tries that just after being allowed in, then it's a violation of the 4th amendment. I really hate that.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The law here actually extends to areas near international borders(up to 100 miles) and in principle includes any airport that receives international flights. So, basically everywhere. This occasionally comes up in real cases.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sort of. The federal government has extra control in those 100 miles, but they can't just violate your rights.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In their eyes, foreigners don't have rights.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

I need an android phone that logs me into one fake version of the operating system when I unlock it with one pattern, and another OS when I use my real pattern.

Like a virtual machine kind of deal where the attacker cannot know that there are other logins, or how many. Preferably with some kind of automated system that simulates normal usage so it looks real but boring.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

I know Androids can have user profiles which is what you’re talking about. I wish iOS would do the same thing.

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[–] Eric_Pollock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Can't this be avoided, at least on Android, by simply shutting down your phone? Thought I read somewhere that they lock down everything, even system processes, after turning on again until you unlock it again. Or are you also forced to type the password and let them in?

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Border entry is different than self incrimination.

If you are charged with a crime you cannot be compelled to give a password as it resides in your head. However if you use finger prints or face recognition to unlock it you're SOL.

Best thing to do is get an android and setup a dummy account. use that account when you get off the plane so when you unlock it there is nothing to go through.

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago

The best thing is to just not go to the US

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[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Seeing a lot of responses that are wrong because they are talking about what police in the US can do. This article is about border crossing where border patrol can ask you to unlock the phone without any warrant/etc. If you refuse then you can be denied entry to the country (although I believe that is just non-citizens). Not sure if things can escalate from there.

Edit: which means if your phone was off, they'd just ask you to turn it on and unlock it.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The law requires you to unlock it, but as far as I'm aware its legality has never faced a major challenge and there are some civil rights groups who are confident it won't survive one.

Truth be told though most phones don't have robust enough security to withstand even a short duration attack from the tools available to law enforcement.

[–] Mearuu@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They can force biometric unlocks. That cannot force you to give them your password.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That is in a criminal investigation. They can just deny you entry if you dont unlock.

You also don't have most constitutional protections until you're past the security checkpoint.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Depends where you are, some jurisdictions within the US will order you to produce a password in some circumstances and hold you in contempt until you do and that decision has been upheld by higher courts, notably the third circuit.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

There are exceptions to most things, yes.

None of it is relevant at the border though, they dont have to do anything other than deny entry.

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[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Time to setup a guest account on the phone then

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[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You must unlock your phone for them

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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I have found that guys can use their penis as a fingerprint. Reliability may vary given whatever state of arousal you're at, but good luck trying to get me to whip it out to unlock my phone.

Ladies, I'm not sure how practical this idea may be for you, but the same concept just might work for nipples as well.

Your device should be private to you, so if it takes locking it using your physical privates, well do whatever you gotta do.

Disclaimer: I've only done very limited testing on this, but it actually did work for me.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It actually does work. I still have mine set up from when I tested it. You can also use the fatty bulge on your pinky when you curl your finger.

I do need to be hard though. It would probably work had I set it up with a softy though.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wtf is this conversation 🤣 Have at it though if it works.

Username doesn't check out.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Somehow I think whipping my cock out to unlock my phone will be frowned upon in most situations...

But not all situations.

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[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For an additional gender neutral option, your butthole is almost as unique as your fingerprints, to the point that unless you have an identical twin it's reasonable to assume that no one else shares your specific butthole print.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Sorry, my butthole doesn't poke out far enough.

Could I use it for facial recognition though? 🤔

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[–] sloppychops@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Would it help to have electronics, phone included, in your checked baggage?

If not, then people might have to consider smuggling their phone through in a brick of coke. Or put it in a condom and swallow it.

[–] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The airline will have issues with you putting lithium batterys in the hold. This has caused fires and taken planes down. Have to keep elecronics in the cabin where the user and crew can respond on they short and cause a fire.

Your brick off columbin nose powder is safe to go in the hold.

[–] Liamk57@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

I have traveled many times with my electronics in the hold. Turns out has long as your battery is attached to the device (meaning not loose) it will be fine. But then security wise I don't know if it will change much. security can access your luggage:

[–] obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

When you enter the US, you have to claim your checked baggage as part of the process of going through customs, then re-check your bags if you're continuing on a domestic flight.

If you have a device in your checked bag:

  1. you're violating the safety rule about not having lithium batteries in checked luggage.

  2. if you're asked if you are travelling with a phone and you lie and say you don't have one, then if they search your bags and find it, then they'll have strong evidence that you lied to a federal officer, which is a crime.

[–] caffinatedone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You’re allowed to have devices with lithium batteries in checked bags.

When portable electronic devices powered by lithium batteries are in checked baggage, they must be completely powered off and protected to prevent unintentional activation or damage. Electronic devices capable of generating extreme heat, heating elements must be isolated which could cause a fire if activated, by removal of the heating element, battery or other components.

https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/printable-chart

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