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Israel reportedly proposed writing off Egypt's debts for hosting Gaza refugees (www.middleeasteye.net)

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An Israeli news report claims that the Netanyahu government has offered a raft of proposals to entice Egypt to open its doors to two million displaced Palestinians, despite Cairo's rejection

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[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 year ago

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[-] frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Of course not. It's voluntary tourism and bomb-assisted suicide

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know if you're aware of the historical context regarding claims of ethnic cleansing in this conflict, Israel has shown a lot more restraint than Palestinian forces did when the shoe was on the other foot:

"For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible"

"The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony" -Abdullah el Tell, a commander of the Arab Legion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem#Islamization_of_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_rule

When Jerusalem and the West Bank were annexed by Jordan, (A belligerent fighting for the Palestinians against Israel in 1948,) it was immediately ethnically cleansed:

In 1950 Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and in 1954 granted Jordanian nationality to its non-Jewish residents who had been Palestinian nationals before 15 May 1948. During the nineteen years of Jordanian rule in the West Bank, a third of the Jewish Quarter's buildings were demolished. According to a complaint Israel made to the United Nations, all but one of the thirty-five Jewish houses of worship in the Old City were destroyed. The synagogues were razed or pillaged and stripped and their interiors used as hen-houses or stables.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Jordan#Jordan_relations_with_Israel

Today there are no Jewish citizens of Jordan.

Not that this makes reciprocity okay, but I think people should be aware there's there's a history of driving people off their land and destroying their structures by both parties in this conflict. I find the irony in these historical parallels to be incredible and can't help but notice it's curious that Israel is being held to a higher standard regarding civilian treatment by Palestinians than their own forces have exhibited.

[-] TheDankHold@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

They show restraint because they know good pr keeps the foreign investment flowing like a river. It’s so disingenuous to view this conflict in a vacuum with no larger geopolitical aspects to consider.

Sure they could act like Russia is in Ukraine but that’s not how you get your genocide while the world shrugs their shoulders. Don’t be so painfully naive.

Also it’s interesting that your recollection of events starts AFTER the Naqba where Israeli settlers drove Palestinians from their home. Everyone acting like there’s only one group driving hostilities always has an obnoxiously one sided understanding of the provocations that happened.

And as a final note, Israel is held to a higher standard because it hasn’t been rendered destitute by a stronger power. It’s the imbalance of power that makes the position popular. Just like cops should be held to a higher standard than citizens, Supreme Court judges over political pundits, and soldiers over non combatants. The stronger force has the most responsibility to go for peace because their power grants them the most ability to do so.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

In what world does Israel show restraint, anyway? I don't see the levelling of Gaza city as "restraint".

I don't see the incarceration of 40% of Gaza's male population as "restraint".

I don't see Israel dropping more explosives on civilian population centers than the US did on Hiroshima as "restraint".

I don't see the systematic apartheid system of the West bank as "restraint".

I don't see the thousands of Israelis cheering as weapons declared illegal by the UN rain down on refugee camps as "restraint".

I don't see the leaders of Israel declaring every last man, woman, child in Gaza animals as "restraint".

This is bullshit, through and through.

[-] qwazpoi@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It's also very telling that they have marked 100% of the Gaza population as refugees. There are only about 2 million people in Gaza all together and that is the amount they are trying to send to Egypt. That means that this is just Israel pushing to completely erase Palestine.

With white phosphorus and daily bombings on a city that has a population density greater than Chicago there doesn't look like there's any restraint only retribution.

Israel telling civilians to follow evacuation orders to go to "safe areas" that they then bomb is just par for the course for what they plan on doing.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The only fairness to the statement of Gazans being refugees is that most of them are, since most residents of Gaza and the West bank fled their original homes within the last 70 years.

Many of the oldest generation in Palestine are older than Israel itself.

[-] rambaroo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

On Reddit the libs think not nuking the entire place is "restraint"

[-] sparky@lemmy.pt 4 points 1 year ago

Interesting context. Thanks for sharing:

[-] frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

held to higher standard? As if , people are justifying the destruction of synagogues in 1948?

What would be the normal standard then? You are saying it's justified as some kind of retribution? what nonsense is this

[-] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

"Not that this makes reciprocity okay"

That's all you needed to say. The rest of your comment is just genocide apologetics.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Israel is being held to a higher standard regarding civilian treatment by Palestinians than their own forces have exhibited.

If this is is your pearl-clutching response to the genocide of Gaza and the West bank, you have lost all sense of morality. The rape, slaughter, and total cleansing of the region in response to the people of Palestine fighting back against 75 years of colonization and Jewish extremism will never be forgotten, but your vain attempt to paint Israel as the MODERATE side in this will be forgotten along with the rest of the fascist filth that inherit this site.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If this is is your pearl-clutching response to the genocide of Gaza and the West bank, you have lost all sense of morality. The rape, slaughter, and total cleansing of the region in response to the people of Palestine fighting back against 75 years of colonization and Jewish extremism will never be forgotten, but your vain attempt to paint Israel as the MODERATE side in this will be forgotten along with the rest of the fascist filth that inherit this site.

My, what a balanced and nuanced opinion of the conflict that takes into account both perspectives and the history that led it to here. Anything short of picking up a pitchfork and joining the angry online mob is being, "fascist filth," now?

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Feigning neutrality to a genocide and apartheid and painting the victims as "just as bad" because of their resistance is being fascist filth.

At least the people who support Israel out of ignorance have the balls to say they're on the side of the oppressor.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's more to a conflict than who is the underdog. The side you seem to be supporting is explicitly genocidal.

[-] Geobloke@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Let's send people on an exodus to Egypt. No way they're gonna wanna come back. They either don't get irony or haven't read their own book

[-] filister@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

War crimes, what war crimes?

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Prime Minister Moustafa Madbouly has, meanwhile, sought to reassure investors about the state's finances. "I affirm that the Egyptian state has not failed and will not fail to pay any of its international obligations," he said in April.

Amid a foreign currency crunch, Egypt has drawn down net foreign assets in the banking system by more than $40 billion in two years, partly used to prop up the pound.

It seems like this deal would be beneficial in some ways, because it sounds like the world bank is kind of writing off parts of this debt already.

This way it allows for Egypt to build it's economy towards something different, at the expense of basically having to feed, dress, house, and police, 2 million people who are going to be hellbent on getting back at the people who harmed them.

On that topic, how does Israel have the power to write off debt?

House Republicans unveiled a $14.3 billion aid package for Israel on Monday

Oh..... right.... we're helping pay for it.... o_o

[-] Varan1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And all this money is by cutting funding to the IRS, so that the initiative to look into millionaires and billionaires cheating on taxes to the tune of hundreds of billions a year is dead. And also by completely cutting funding to Ukraine so that Putin, the biggest benefactor of the NRA, and thereby a huge benefactor to the GOP has some respite and can achieve some goals in his own effort to erase a people from nationhood. It's a win-win for in the crooked Republican strategy if it ever passes.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Remember when they sent 750k away from their homes and never allowed to come back?

[-] jesusrp98@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Jesus fricking christ

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wrong Abrahamic sect.

[-] SapphironZA 3 points 1 year ago

*death cult

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Never a missed opportunity to push people off "their" land. On to justice proud Israel marches on the corpses of 33 hundred children (it's ok, they were all either Hamas members or would be some day).

edit: Forgot to mention it's all Hamas's fault

[-] JewGoblin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I can't see Egypt doing this, didn't the Muslim brotherhood try to overthrow the Egyptian government?

[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

They did and where able to, but the people of Egypt kicked them out for corruption

[-] dept@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

no? the Muslim brotherhood was democratically elected then the MILITARY kicked them out. The same military dictatorship that's still on today.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 1 year ago

Let the fascists fight then.

[-] Cockmaster6000@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

And why won't Israel take them?

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Belligerents hiding among the Gazan population who have been attacking Israeli civilians, among other reasons.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Maybe because they want to kill each other and there's nothing that seems it would stop this until one side is dead?

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Israel was established as a Jewish ethnostate. Accepting any Muslims, Christians, or secular people into its land would make this ethnostate weaker. It's that simple.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Israel was established as a Jewish ethnostate.

20% of Israel's citizens are Arabs.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is a well-documented plan for the permanent eviction of every last resident of Gaza - A "final solution", if you will:

Pay Egypt to accept the population of Gaza in the Sinai desert.
Bomb, maim, and kill every last non-Israeli in the Gaza strip who doesn't leave.
Annex the strip over a few years claiming it's "helping rebuild".
Annex a strip of the Sinai desert to prevent Palestinians from approaching Gaza.
Return settlers to Gaza, and claim victory.

[+] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world -20 points 1 year ago

So Israel is selling people for money, openly. What. The. Actual. Ever. Living. Fuck.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

So Israel is selling people for money, openly. What. The. Actual. Ever. Living. Fuck.

No? They're offering to pay for someone else to take in the refugees they are creating. They are paying. The opposite of selling.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 1 year ago

Uh, not really, no. This would be a bribe so their ethnic cleansing is just a displacement genocide instead of needing camps.

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

They've been getting rid of people using US money, and yes openly and proudly.

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