There are 2 types of people who hate on Democrats : memes

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago (3 children)

America doesn't have a left wing. There's far right and center right

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Looks far right and farther right, to me.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lawful evil and chaotic evil.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Both are chaotic evil, just first example how sending arms to Israel breaks even USA law.

[–] ferric_carcinization@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Chaotic evil & chaoticer eviler?

[–] allywilson@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I've read similar before. I've heard that the UK's Conservative Party (Tory's) are more aligned with the US Democrats in their outlook than the US Republicans. The Tory's are generally considered our right wing (there are smaller more right wing parties though).

[–] kooks_only@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago

For a minute in Canada we would say “if Obama were Canadian, he’d be the greatest conservative PM we ever had”

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The argument we usually see in the US is some nonsense like "you're comparing the Democrats in America to the left globally, you can't do that! They're to the left of Republicans so they're the left!"

...ughh...

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

There's far right and right. I wouldn't call them anywhere near centre right.

[–] Rodneyck@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is no two-party system, it is a uni-party, anything else is smoke and mirrors.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A quick perusal of the voting history of both parties destroys this ridiculous opinion.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Smoke and mirrors. Both parties represent Capital, voting is often negotiated pre-vote, including dissenters.

[+] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You can repeat "smoke and mirrors" as many times as you want. Doesn't change that the parties vote VERY differently. Doesn't change that one party got me affordable healthcare when I was young when the other one basically told me to go fuck myself. Doesn't change that one illegally attempted to overturn an election and the other didn't. Doesn't change that one stripped women of a federally protected human right while the other didn't.

There are so many examples of the parties not being the same that there's no other way to look at your opinion than as ignorant to the extreme.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They both serve Capital, and neither represents the people. The DNC is regularly pushing to the right, and willingly allows the rights of women to be stripped. They are opportunists, not agents of positive change. They only care about getting donations and serving the Capitalists that fund them. The GOP is no better.

[–] Rodneyck@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

This...so true.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

You can repeat "smoke and mirrors" as many times as you want. Doesn't change that the two cops treated me VERY differently. Doesn't change that one cop gave me an assurance of a plea deal when the other one basically told me I'd be locked up forever. Doesn't change that one slammed my face into the table when the other got me cool glass of water. Doesn't change that one lied about my actions and assumed my guilt, and the other took the time to hear me out on my story.

There are so many examples of the cops not treating me the same that there's no other way to look at your opinion than as ignorant to the extreme.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Another reminder that blueMAGA don't consider Palestinians human

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

It takes a special kind of stupid to use the term "blueMAGA".

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago

Dems of today are Nixonian conservatives. He gave us Legacy of Parks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Parks

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

They're not right wing/controlled opposition. They're right wing controlled opposition.

[–] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

I too end all my memes with Kapwing

[+] blinx615@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

The Boondocks was a documentary.

[+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world -20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The fun thing about being a liberal is the lefties thing you're a fascist and the righties think you're a communist.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

the number of times i've seen a scratched lib turn fash surprised me... at first.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

On the political compass subreddit they called them watermelons - green on the outside (libertarian left), red on the inside (authoritarian left). I realize they're not really left at all, but the authoritarianism is baked in.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be clear, the Political Compass is a measurement of what the Heritage Foundation believes, not to mention the numerous flaws within the testing mechanisms themselves.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Do you have a source for that? The Wikipedia page about it doesn't mention it and mentions other sources, which I guess could be tied to the heritage foundation but even clicking through links I couldn't find any connection.

I'm not saying there isn't plenty to criticize about the concept and where they place particular individuals. That's just the first time I've heard this claim, and I'm curious about it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

It isn't a heritage foundation outlet, the creator of the Political Compass based the ideas of "libertatian-authoritarian" and "left-right" on how the Heritage Foundation sees those aspects.

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago

The video Everything wrong with the Political Compass by revolutionaryth0t is great if you want to inform yourself on why it is a bad measurement tool. It's been a while since I watched it, but iirc they mention how it is based on the Heritage Foundation's ideas at some point in the video.

[+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world -22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well actually it is impossible for a liberal to turn into a fascist as they are two completely different ideologies.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Liberalism and fascism are the same ideology in different economic and social circumstances. That's why the saying goes "scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds," the underlying system supported by both is heavily based on the private ownership of the means of production.

[+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world -7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the underlying system supported by both is heavily based on the private ownership of the means of production.

This might be true but there are some significant differences between the two as well.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Such as?

[+] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world -10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well one is a liberal and the other is a fascist to start.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Liberalism and fascism are descriptors for superstructural ideology sprouting from the same base in different circumstances. The liberal Weimar Republic quickly became the fascist Nazi Germany not out of a pivot in underlying ideas, necessarily, but due to the natural changing material conditions the same Mode of Production found itself in.

Liberalism and fascism are tied.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago

Fascism is liberalism's plan B, as confirmed by History and by liberal theory itself.

Historically, look at Latin America (I am Brazilian). All over Latin America, when people elected leftist (not even communist) governments within the institutions of liberal democracy, the elite (with US support) staged a coup and installed a military dictatorship, effectively saying: no, the people are not allowed to choose socialism. So we hereby abolish democracy.

And Jacobin covers the justification for this under liberal theory itself:

So, important liberal thinkers insisted as early as John Locke, you can’t tax the rich without their consent. If you do so, you give the victims of these policies a good reason to rebel and use violence against the usurpers. Liberal politics thus had a dictatorial option inscribed in it from the very beginning. And so it became a dogma to assume that the main task of politics is to protect property, and its principal sin to inveigh against it. But of course, that is a very narrow definition of what politics can or should do. And we suffer from that confinement to this day. In a typical Western democracy, you can do many things — as long as you refrain from infringing on private property. [1]

In short: liberal theory itself gives absolute priority to private property (over the means of production). If it conflicts with democracy, democracy is tossed out the window.

I always clarify "over the means of production" when attacking private property. There is this widespread confusion that communist thugs are going to invade your house and confiscate your bike. AFAIK, communists don't do that.

Fun fact: in 1989 Brazilian elections, neoliberal Collor terrorized the people saying that Lula would confiscate everyone's savings. With infamous support from Rede Globo (massive right-wing biased media corporation), Collor won, then quickly moved to confiscate everyone's savings. Lula was elected in 2002, 2006 and 2022, and did nothing of the sort. Sadly, Lula is not communist, but social democrat.

1: https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The thing about pissing your pants is that those cleaner will think you shouldn't piss yourself, and those dirtier will think you should shit yourself.

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