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Yet again the Internet Archiving is suffering big this time, a coalition of major record labels filed a lawsuit against the Internet Archive demanding $700 million for the extensive catalog of 78 rpm records. 78s are sometimes more than a century old at this point and i bet a lot of them are out of copyright, but i suppose for the few that still are majors are hitting it big towards the IA

This lawsuit is pretty much another existential threat to the Internet Archive and everything it preserves, including the Wayback Machine, and we're fucked if we ever lose access to the Wayback Machine.

the original article asked to sign a petition, but i think a more logical way to support is to donate them directly so that they have more money to better defend themselves in court in this and other cases they'll undoubtedly face in the future

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The internet archive likes being vulnerable so it can get donations. If it was serious about archival, it would all be P2P backed up.

[–] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago
[–] snroh@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean, the american idiotic narrative of outraise, outspend, outcapitalist can get bent. when you're faced with such an immense force of vast resources, you don't raise a similar sized force and roll the dice on the outcome - you engage in asymetric warfare.

disperse all that shit in P2P networks with multiple redundancies with no single point of failure. who are they gonna sue, the i2p stack or whatever? fuck those fuckers.

I'd finance something like that with my meager resources, instead of filling some coffers to finance lawyers and whatnot.

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 3 points 21 hours ago

I think they do provide torrents for the stuff they have available to download already. So we know what to do *wink*!

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 230 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Internet Archive should seriously consider moving outside US juristiction.

[–] MonkeyBrawler@lemm.ee 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

irc, it's already backed up to multiple other countries. I assume this isn't some crazy idea, and they've considered this themselves.

Donate to help their defense, or donate to help them move their infrastructure. I think they need money more than they need big brain ideas.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

They need to operate out of a different country that respects human knowledge even at the expense of corporations' profits. What exactly that country is, I have no clue.

But yeah. In the short term, moving out of a fascist country to basically anywhere else is a good idea for them.

None, lol. But there are some who don't give a shit about copyright because it benefits them

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[–] vivendi@programming.dev 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Guys PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, download it all. The only way to preserve information is to copy it until 1 survives

I am just a poor fucking Iranian with shitass internet and no money to buy a NAS but I'll try to hawk some part of it as much as I can

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there a coordinated way to mirror it, like Anna's Archive is doing with their torrents? I'd be happy to pitch in a few terrabytes

[–] WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If you have the chance, do Anna's first. Books and scientific journals are more important than 78 rpm records.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

I got about 10TB of Anna's permanently seeding o7

[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] riverSpirit@thelemmy.club 91 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] nekothegamer@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

thank you so much, you're doing god's work

[–] murd0x@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No No. It's man's work. Responsibility must not be shifted

[–] nekothegamer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

lol i know it was just a saying

[–] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

and they accept donations in crypto 👍

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 74 points 2 days ago

Please move out of USA where trolls are more prevalent

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 2 days ago

willing to bet that the ia does a million more for artists than the record labels ever did

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There must be a lot of complicated aspects to this that I don't understand.

The right course of action seems obvious to me...

Firstly spin out a separate organisation to manage the wayback machine. It shouldn't be part of the pot defending against litigation like this.

Secondly, and I feel silly saying this but... don't institutionalise the perpetration of rights violations? In the age of distributed databases and the dark web and the block chain and federation surely we can figure out a way to archive media that doesn't put people or organisations at risk of litigation.

Finally, if the individuals involved with IA are not liable for the debts of IA then the organisation should fold because that's practically free compared to defending against these litigious assholes.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

48PB in excess of 120 million items.

Most of our distributed storage sharing systems break down long before that.

Even if DHT could handle it, we'd need like five full copies of it out there for it to be safe, and not one or two people with multi petabyte rigs, when you get really distributed.

2100 22tb drives

~700k dollars.

If you factor in volume discounts you can probably afford enough discs to make it a bunch of nice raids.

Of course, then you'll need a bunch of really expensive chassis to be able to mount them and have them working.

Seems like somebody could stand a spare a couple million to make that happen.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The reason this is as public as it is is because an archive like this is more useful the more is archived. If you manage it in an entirely hidden way, you basically won't get it accessible from the clearnet and are relegated to keep it on Tor or similar. And once you do that, a lot less people will use it and thus it'll be a lot less useful.

Also, they are not only fighting for an archive to exist, they're fighting for it being a societally acceptable thing to exist.

[–] splendoruranium@infosec.pub 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the age of distributed databases and the dark web and the block chain and federation surely we can figure out a way to archive media that doesn’t put people or organisations at risk of litigation

That limits and gatekeeps access to an enormous degree. The IA wants to be useful to everyone, not just the tiny fraction of the world population savvy enough to use the internet for more than opening a browser and a chat client.

don’t institutionalise the perpetration of rights violations?

Counterpoint: The perpetration of this kind of rights violation precisely needs to be normalized to the point of meaninglessness. Intellectual property can either go away top-down (which considering the way things went over the past century is never going to happen) or it can go away bottom up - it has to be flaunted and disregarded by everybody via continued large-scale disobedience.

Or, of course, it could just never go away.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

That limits and gatekeeps access

Not necessarily, I wasn't really proposing to just torrent everything. I was kinda dreaming of a more creative solution that trivialises access while abstracts the actual hosting away from individuals.

this kind of rights violation precisely needs to be normalized

Perhaps, but if so this just isn't the way to achieve that. IA doesn't seem sustainable.

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[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have a question. Would it be better for me to donate money to the Internet Archive, or would it be more beneficial long term to purchase a NAS and torrent as much stuff from TIA that I can?

[–] hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

why not both? small donations to the IA pile up. also the IA has several petabytes of data so it would be difficult to mirror that completely but sharing parts you're interested in (even on the small scale) can be immensely useful.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I think that's a good idea. I'm planning on cancelling my $3/month discord subscription so money can go twords TIA instead
I have about a spare laptop I can setup to be a seeder in the closet or sthm

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