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It went to shit because big corpos realized there was money in the games industry. It went to shit because capitalism took the reins.

Young millennial/zillennial AAA game dev speaking.

It is 100% a top-down issue. Most devs are talented people. When you're incentivized by quarterly returns as management, over a long enough timeline you begin to care less about game quality and more about stock prices and net revenue in addition to whatever else you need to satisfy your bloated ego, even if you started out as a passionate dev initially. The Indie and AA space is currently thriving because these incentives don't factor in as much for them.

Just like game design, it's an issue with a series of carrots and sticks, not necessarily the people involved (although psychopaths do exist and tend to be overrepresented in c-suites worldwide).

The baby boom in the USA was a real demographic phenomenon but every "generation" after that gets fuzzier to the point where its now just rage bait nonsense or just a proxy term for complaining about changing fashions. Even within the Boomer cohort people had wildly different experiences growing up across such a large span. That said, every game studio I ever worked for was run by Gen X and Boomer aged people.

When they started in the industry it was small teams, tight budgets, a new frontier with a low bar to entry. Now it is highly corporate, capitalized, shareholder driven behemoth (like everything else). This transform happened when the millennial cohort was in our 20s, we had no influence on this, and it mirrored similar larger-scale transformations in the rest of society.

I'm fortunate in that I basically retired early, although I wouldn't mind going back to work with a good group of people, even for cheap. Like the old days again. I still like the work I just hate the business. But it doesn't matter, the whole industry is in ruins now.

The gaming industry is fine. It's all the AAA publishers that are shit.

Gaming hasn't gone to shit.

Some of it is shit, but that's true for literally all media and art across all of human existence.

Gaming is better than ever. This whole discussion is ridiculous, with everyone blaming this or that for something that just doesn't align with reality.

The ruin of modern games is the perfect shit storm of:

• The quest for the other side of the uncanny valley, making releases closer to decades
• The death of the in-house game engine.
• The half-baked attempt to cross-platform consoles with PCs
• The half-baked attempt to cross-platform mobile devices with consoles
• The merger of Live Service Games and Free to Play
• Game prices not following inflation.
• Everyone and their brother trying to take a major cut.

Shit is more complex and resource intensive than it has ever been, we're hardly even looking to optimize these days if it works.

You get to choose from a couple of engines, who want a serious cut, or a free engine who has serious problems on consoles.

You need the game not only to pay for itself in sales, but in in-game sales without making it to gambley or making it too pay to win.

Adjusted for inflation, Mario Odyssey is $20 less at launch than E.T. was at launch for the atari.

Most definitely can be refuted. There are hundreds or maybe thousands of amazing games out there made by young and old people that appeal to both young and old people. The issue Anon is struggling with is non gamer capitalists running game companies and milking games for every last penny at the cost of quality.

I know it's a tired example, but look at the company and team responsible for BG3. A game that is widely considered one of the greatest games to be realsed in at least the last 10 years, maybe even longer. This game was made by a company owned and operated by old people and young people. The teams directing, designing, creating, and writing this game were made up of multiple generations of people, and what was made, unimpacted by corporate greed, was a masterpiece.

Good games are products of passion and creative freedom, not money or age.

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No war but class war.

I mean, kind of, but not really.

It all started with Halo. Back in the late 90s and early 00s the movie industry was the big money maker of entertainment and there was actually a lot of anti-gaming rhetoric in news and politics. The weekend Halo 3 released it was so popular that it disrupted the box office numbers for a couple of movies. The movie executives decided to stop trying to kill the gaming industry and take it over instead.

So I guess you can blame millennials for playing Halo instead of going to the movies that weekend.

Frank Zappa ideas; paraphrased by me.

In the 1960's the music execs like Frank Sinatra and Duke Ellington and had no idea what the kids wanted. They just threw money at the problem and gave contracts to anyone. The result was a vast variety, everything from Sha-Na-Na to the Mamas and the Papas to Iron Butterfly. When the next generation of bosses got hired, they looked at the one consistent moneymaker; Motown Records. Everyone at Motown had a similar look and singing style...

Gaming is insane right now. I can buy a game for $10 that would have won game of the year every year straight for an entire decade. Even saying this there's probably like 15 games that fit this category.

Gamers today get what they deserve. If they want to consume triple A slop they're going to get fucked. Its really simple.

It started roughly around the ps3/360 era, when corporate devs began prioritizing turning their games into skinner boxes that were designed to motivate players to keep playing, so they would be more likely to engage in microtransactions, see more ads, or continue paying subscriptions. Of course gacha garbage is a fuller expression of this kind of manipulation now days.

Still plenty of great games out there, and in some cases we have a real renaissance.

Zoomer consumers accepting micro transactions in games

STOP blaming age groups! It’s a divide and conquer tactic. It’s not your parent’s fault. It’s not your grandparent’s fault. It is the fault of the rising Oligarchy Super Wealthy. Their system works when we work against each other. We’re even suspicious and blame our parents and grandparents these days. WTF??

I think people don’t realize that current CEO’s are still old. Many of them in their 50s. I don’t think those are millennials.

Wait, gaming is shit now and it was great in the past?

I agree about the speed of progress, but someone is forgetting all the movie games on the ps2 (looking at you cat woman).

Also, I’m old enough to remember the angry video game nerd reviewing bad NES games, holy shit, you have no idea how bad it can get.

There's plenty of great games these days. The "golden age" wasn't because of the quality of games. It was because I was able to delve into them deeply and enjoy them without all the concerns of my adult life running on the back of my mind pulling me out of it.

• Hollow Knight (Silksong soon^TM^)
• Stardew Valley
• Factorio
• Outer Wilds
• Baldur's Gate 3
• Clair Obscur

Gaming is fucking phenomenal right now, OP is looking in the wrong direction.

Nah, not really, it's only shit if you only play AAA suit-driven slop. There's a ton of awesome games being released and the older ones are still there to (re) play.

It's the system slowly and successfully corroding your class conscience, they're taking away your awareness of it so you fight sideways instead of fighting the people above you

The golden age of games, also happened to have publishers who were just that, publishers, not slave drivers commanding the market and shutting down studios every time they sneezed.

Indie games are where it's at.

Big companies like Bethesda and EA are still run by fucking boomers and gen xers. The millennials and younger that work for them end up working on one game, and then they get fired after management fucks everything up.

I certainly wanted to be a gameDev, and had shit ideas. It is my fault.

Mostly or straight became indie devs or got they asses fired on AAA studios, let's be honest indie and double A studios are what still keep this hobbie alive today