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Hey everyone, hope you're doing well. For some time, lemmy's been struggling with donations. For all these years, the lemmy devs, like them or hate them; have been building the software that powers the entirety of the forumverse (that's what i'm calling it, fuck you) so if you have even a dollar/euro/peso/whatever to give, it would be greatly appreciated (by the lemmy devs, and all instance admins!)

Good day to y'all :D

crossposted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005

An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:

Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto

If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name "Luigi".

Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.

Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can't go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Is the crazy tankie still the one who's get the money?

Then lol, never

Oh, and apparently donating does to the .ml server costs, too? Idk how true that is, but hell no if true and gross how much this is getting spammed around

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There's piefed too; i'm very interested in it (even contributed to it, not through code though; through ideas to rimu and even a whole theme) it's still too early to be used by us, but if you're interested: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/38328295/16837857

I’d love to run a piefed instance, as I can hack its code directly. Sadly it’s just not as mature, One can’t migrate instances, and there’s not enough time in the world :(

Ye if it matures I might host a new instance, but I have my hands full enough with one as is it.

[–] taco@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm using the theme, so thank you.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Glad to hear somebody's using it :D

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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 days ago

Agreed.
Never, unless funds can be 100% directed AWAY from .ml and its sycophants.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Would you donate for Lemmy development if lemmy.ml had a separate donation account?

[–] Snoopey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Actually lemmy.ml hosting is only funded via Opencollective, so if you donate through any other platform the money goes entirely to developer salaries.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I've already donated a few times but this would genuinely be a good idea imo, Lemmy.ml's userbase can likely keep it running by itself & it removes the ick factor from having any of my money go toward it and seemingly one of the more significant roadblocks to people donating.

I do genuinely love what you've created!

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[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can you donate directly to other devs? That really is very concerning, and I really don't want to help .ml..

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago (43 children)

As it says there, you can to nutomic, but they're famously a massive transphobe who claims that trans people are western propaganda (Id forgotten that until I read the comments on the post I linked)

I've said it off platform for a whole - Lemmy's a waste of time because the devs are garbage people the community actively hates. Unless someone forks it or the current devs hand it over I don't see Lemmy making it much further than this tbh. I kinda expected them to give up on the project from all the mass hate they got a while ago, but part of what makes them annoying is how stubborn they are lol

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[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is excellent timing. I just got an email last night that my auto subscribed donation to our instance was canceled and I don't know why. I went to just reschedule it and they wanted my cc info but I was waaaay too drunk and in the middle of Pathfinder to go find my card.

Appreciate the reminder. I'll fix that now.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago

Dess had his mouth running further than him, saying stupid shit, but I can downplay that and keep donating to him for the future of Lemmy as a whole. The Lemmigrad donation stream may be his own choice, but if he does that, we therefore can ask for a total detalisation of his income and spendings. We deserve to know, if he does that from his own paycheck himself, or if our donations directly support this one stalinist resource.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they weren't fascist sympathizers then I would feel a lot better about supporting them.

If saving lemmy means propping up .ml and their bigoted and fascist beleifs then, I'd rather see that baby and bathwater thrown out together

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[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago (21 children)

The devs activly support calls for the deaths of all americans on ML. There needs to be a way of supporting the codebase without supporting the core devs....

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Support the codebase without supporting the people who write the codebase seems impossible. Unless you want to fork it and then take the money for that.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago (27 children)

Is there any source to that claim? It sounds ridiculous even by lemmygrad and hexbear standards

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[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I dont like that they imply lemmy would die without them like mbin and piefed dont exist? And they are running off activityhub, not like the core is lemmy? Correct me if im wrong, but if they stopped developing wed prob have a short period before apps switched to supporting mbin/piefed or others popped up? Guess the hard parts migrating all existing communites/instances.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who gives a single shit about either of those. We're on Lemmy, not on mbin, piefed etc. because they are a bit ass right now.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Im only not on them because lack of an iphone app

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not until you do something about the tankies.

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