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The Privacy Iceberg

This is original content. AI was not used anywhere except for the bottom right image, simply because I could not find one similar enough to what I needed. This took around 6 hours to make.

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The background is an iceberg with 6 levels, denoting 6 different levels of privacy.

The tip of the iceberg is titled "The Brainwashed" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing to hide". The logos depicted in this section are:

The surface section of the iceberg is titled "As seen on TV" with a quote beside it that says "This video is sponsored by...". The logos depicted in this section are:

An underwater section of the iceberg is titled "The Beginner" with a quote beside it that says "I don't like hackers and spying". The logos depicted in this section are:

A lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Enthusiast" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing I want to show". The logos depicted in this section are:

An even lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Activist" with a quote beside it that says "Privacy is a human right". The logos depicted in this section are:

The lowest portion of the iceberg is titled "The Ghost". There is a quote beside it that has been intentionally redacted. The images depicted in this section are:

  • A cancel sign over a mobile phone, symbolizing "no electronics"
  • An illustration of a log cabin, symbolizing "living in a log cabin in the woods"
  • A picture of gold bars, symbolizing "paying only in gold"
  • A picture of a death certificate, symbolizing "faking your own death"
  • An AI generated picture of a person wearing a black hoodie, a baseball cap, a face mask, and reflective sunglasses, symbolizing "hiding ones identity in public"

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[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 98 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Funny how you need more and more technical knowledge to go deeper into privacy, until the last level, which is basically giving up on technology itself.

[–] wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The last level is living in a cabin in the woods and writing manifestos about industrial society and the ills of technology O_o

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[–] sharps9@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

ExpressVPN is an arm of Israeli intelligence and should be on the tip of the iceberg: https://www.reuters.com/technology/expressvpn-employees-complain-about-ex-spys-top-role-company-2021-09-23/

All users should cancel their accounts immediately.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 days ago

"As seen on TV" does not imply privacy, it just implies a large advertising budget. These are software that market themselves as private (and are sometimes better than nothing at all) but may still be just as bad as software on the tip of the iceberg.

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[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 272 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think this is the first time I've seen an iceberg meme with sources and explanations for each item. Fantastic. Your work is appreciated.

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[–] neuroneiro@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

Was going to say links or it never happened but you provided them! And categorized by level! Excelsior!

Thanks also to the comments giving more information.

So grateful for this platform. For the most part.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Using basic things like Graphene OS and keepass shouldn't be considered privacy activist

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

Apple: “Brainwashed”

iMessage: “Beginner”

Well which one is it?

[–] admin@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The only thing stopping me from being 'the Activist Group' is that Mullvad requires payment. Sorry, but I'm running a little tight on budget.

At the same time, I can't use Proton VPN for torrenting.

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[–] wasabi@feddit.org 54 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I have no clue why telegram is often mentioned when it comes to "privacy focused messaging". They don't even have e2e encrypted group chats. Only 1:1 chats may be encrypted as an opt-in. Even WhatsApp is more secure than that, since they use signals encryption.

Also the "we don't give out even a byte of data to anyone" statements made by telegram have been thoroughly debunked as lies. When telegrams bottom line is in danger, they have and will give out your data.

[–] JiminaMann@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Just curious, does telegram keep a log of our msgs? Im guessing right now, mitm attacks doesn't work since tls exists, but telegram can still read the msg cuz it's not e2e?

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[–] LeTak@lemm.ee 55 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Tried the Privacy Activist and Enthusiast section. Was not really fun and you loose connection to most of your friends and family. Now I have a balanced setup with something out of each layer. Perfect balanced, as things should be

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

I already made browser suggestions https://lemmy.ml/post/29712598/18453254 but I would also add Ceno https://ceno.network/ in the 5th layer due to its P2P and caching nature.

[–] grendel@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How the heck is TOR less secure than any of the vpns? Also nice vpn psyop/ad.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

How the heck is TOR less secure than any of the vpns?

This isn't a ranking of security. It is ranked based on the experience level at which people generally begin to start using certain software. They build on top of each other.

[–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 103 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I was at the bike shop a few weeks back and a ghost walked in. He came in wearing a medical mask covered by a bandana, sunglasses, cap. They wore gloves, long sleaved pants and shirt.

First question from staff, 'this a robbery?'

Ghost, 'no, I just need 27 2.5 tubes, miss.'

They get the tubes, he agrees. Staff asks if he has an account. Ghost says, "nope, why would I need one?" Staff says they do it for records, insurance claim assist, and discounts. Ghost goes with a John Doe, pays cash and peaces the fuck out.

Total King, but dude was given up a lot. Half of us were drinking beers enjoying a warm evening in spring. I hope he has had some good rides.

I can say with confidence thay he was a white male. In his 50s. About 5'10". 140 lbs-ish. If anyone wants to get any tips, good luck!

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I give workshops on privacy. I always tell them that if they get nothing else out of my presentation, its that they should use a password manager.

Honestly I think keepass should be beginner. That comes first before everything else.

Also I think Tor Browser should come before VPNs. Its free and easier to use than VPNs (for when you want to google something secret and don't want to be tracked. Most beginners are selective like that)

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