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The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

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[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 165 points 1 week ago (21 children)

These shit bags will never learn

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

people will apparently never learn democrats are controlled opposition

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 week ago

Finally! The DNC is finally taking action against the...oh never mind.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would not consider myself a far leftie, more of a left of center kind of guy, but I have found Hogg’s vivacity refreshing. The old guard should squirm, considering they shat the bed last go-round, and may even have lost us the country.

There are plenty of Bernie Trumpers out there, that feel this country has ignored them. And they’re right in the kinds of nooks and crannies where we need to win.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 16 points 1 week ago

Hogg is more of a centrist as well, his only sin was threatening the power of party leadership. As far as I know he's pretty much in the middle of the party when it comes to policy issues.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago (79 children)

Don’t ever ask for progressives’ vote again. We’re done voting blue no matter who.

[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (15 children)

So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?

Primary them sure. Try and snag it back. But you won't turn your next vote red. You know that. And they know that. And I sure as fuck won't do it either. The DNC can rot. But...

You can and should blame the two party system sure. But if you don't primary and win. Well. We've seen that before again and again.

I'm a progressive that will vote blue again. Reluctantly. Emphatically so. But I will.

The posturing of principals means nothing in our political reality. And it pisses me off. But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Primary them sure.

Democratic primaries are kabuki. Trying to oust Hogg is just the latest demonstration.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

If democrats want our votes, it's time for them to start earning them.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (23 children)

But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

Yeah so... uh... That kinda goes both ways. I've made this argument before so I'm just gonna copy paste it, but lemme just...

Have you ever heard of gambler's ruin? It's the name of a few different results in statistics, but the one we want is this:

In statistics, gambler's ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.

Now in modern US elections, does your bet have a positive or negative expected value for democracy? Is America becoming more or less of a democracy every election on average? Apply the theorem above to your answer and see what you get.

To change the inevitable result, which is fascism in the United States, you have to change the game in some way, and primarying incumbents and voting blue no matter who is what progressives are already doing.

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[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Honestly, maybe it's time for progressives to take over the Republican party primary and start moving them left .

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I no longer vote for neoliberals or for folks who receive aipac money.

Period.

I won’t vote for a republican either.

If they want my vote they have to support policies that I do.

Period.

Blue no matter who is how we got here.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I think we need a different color to vote for. Definitely not green, because that party is for shit. But Democrats are functionally useless at this point.

I think I would rather throw my vote away on somebody who challenges the status quo in a progressive way under the Democratic socialist party (or just the plain socialist party) rather than vote for some goddamn Democrat who's going to uselessly wring their hands and then go home to their million dollar mansion and cry about how unfair people are being to their useless ass.

Voting blue hasn't helped cause they think it's your only option so they don't have to actually do anything to earn your vote other than being "not a Republican".

FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

I'M NOT VOTING FOR ANOTHER MODERATE ASSHOLE

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I really like the idea of a tea party style takeover. That seems much more actionable and realistic.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No such thing.

The tea party was just billionaires covered in AstroTurf. They bought the Republican party. It's asymmetrical warfare, because the left doesn't have billionaires that profit from our policy goals.

Not to be a doomer, I do think Democrats can be pulled left (kicking and screaming) but I'm not sure how though.

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[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 49 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Proving him right, by doing more to stop him from running than they're doing to stop the fascist takeover

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[–] polyamorypagan69@lemm.ee 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

The DNC is only another wing of the fascist corporatocracy /Kleptocracy /plutocracy their only function is to protect the capitalis that keeps them in power.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

2016 primaries were awful. DNC super delegates kept Sanders out, showing the worst aspects of super delegates. Establishment GOP couldn't keep Trump out, showing the worst aspects of a lack of super delegates.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (6 children)

That single act doomed us. Bernie would have smoked trump so hard his kids would have changed their name

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[–] Disaster@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They argued the same thing in the NY 2016 primary case. You know... the one where 120,000 people in King's County just randomly got bumped off voter rolls a few weeks before the primaries with no recourse for registration.

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[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The DNC is the primary reason we live under an authoritarian manbaby, Hogg isn't wrong

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We can't stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.

There needs to be an age and income bracket limit for people in government service, these rich geriatric fucks are going to get us all killed.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (23 children)

You cannot reform the party. Either it changes you, or they have you removed.

Yes, the Democrats occupy and monopolize the space for a leftist party. That does not mean the Democrats are leftist, nor ever will be.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation. The corporation doesn't like when underlings call them out on their bullshit

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago

Jenkins, did you hear that young master Hogg expects us to actually help the Plebs?! Egads, didn't anyone explain to him that that's a bit? Jenkins, I need you to get in the private jet and pay Schumer a visit-- no, Jenkins, thirty minutes is much too far to drive-- and also pass along this stock tip. We need to catch this Hogg before the Plebs start getting ideas, like expecting us to work, ha ha.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This whole situation is best summed up by this. If they were putting this much effort into fighting for the actual working class issues they would have won the previous election... Make of that what you will.

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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

[Indeed, Hogg’s PAC, Leaders We Deserve, recently announced an initiative to fund young primary challengers in Democratic races.]

Hey that is pretty cool. We need lots more people like Hogg and AOC and Sanders.

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

I admire Hogg for trying to change things from the inside, as it were, but the DNC is definitely complicit in our current slide into authoritarianism. Until they wake up and embrace the progressive movement championed by Bernie and AOC, I have little hope for the mainstream democratic party

[–] 7empest@beehaw.org 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Trump is on a mission to crash our economy, disappear people without due process, and participate in flagrant public corruption — and voters still trust him more than Democrats,” Hogg said in his statement. “That is a massive indictment of our party.”

Thats a damning statement

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[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump

This title feels like a bit of a gaslight considering hes being ousted for saying his party doesn't represent their voters anymore. While not standing up to trump is part of it, its a smaller issue than the truth that the dems stopped giving a shit about their voters long ago.

God it must be so easy to be a republican, just blame everything on immigrants and do whatever you want to them, simultaneously not pissing off your rich owners, and making your dipshit voting base happy. Its a win-win scenario where only the country loses.

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[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

First, they came for all the motherfucking politicans. Then they came for the lobbyists, then the CEOs and billionaires and the propagandists and the corrupt judges. And if they haven't been beheaded yet, they had peace happily ever after!

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

If they KEEP Hogg then they MIGHT have to Try a New Plan BESIDES Letting Americans Suffer Under Trump with LITERALLY NO PUSHBACK WHATSOEVER!

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Clearer Reason as to the main issue:

David Hogg Into the Spotlight

Into these discussions has stormed the 25-year-old Hogg, who has positioned himself as the man capable of steering the Democrats back on course using lessons learned from their recent losses.

Hogg has criticized his own party for what he views as an alienating stance toward men, and cited the perceived obsession with cultural issues as a major factor in the Republicans' 2024 victories.

"What I think happened last election is younger men—they would rather vote for somebody who they don't completely agree with, they don't feel judged by, than somebody who they do agree with, that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around," Hogg said during a recent appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher.

Hogg was again thrust into the center of this internal debate after his election to vice chair was deemed to have violated DNC bylaws which encourage gender parity among the party leadership. DNC member Kalyn Free, who lost to Hogg in February and brought the challenge against his victory, said that the committee improperly tallied votes and failed "to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way." In doing so, she argued, it "violated its own charter and bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity."

To some, this seemed like irony—the party voiding Hogg's election based on gender-based requirements, after he had criticized it for an overt focus on gender issues. To Hogg it also sniffed of retribution for his wider attempt to recalibrate the Democrats' focus and party makeup.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-dnc-election-david-hogg-2072004

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

A lot of the democratic establishment used to have a close relationship with Trump and took his money often over the years. Then Biden even helped him get re-elected by all the lies and nonsense last year.

Things are not as they seem and the plan is clearly not for the establishment Democrats to stand up to Trump, they want him doing exactly what he's doing.

This is because behind the scenes, it really is a uniparty, and the only thing any of them really care about is money.

Political parties and disagreements are for the lower classes.

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[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Sure are a lot of no-avatar .world accounts in here advocating against uniting against Trump and the GOP 🤔

[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] univers3man@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Right? I didn't do that profile shit on Reddit, I ain't doing it here either.

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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Their trying to Bernie the guy. It's the same players again

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