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Google AI is gender biased. (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 8 hours ago by rainrain@sh.itjust.works to c/nowhereelsetoshare@sh.itjust.works

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I don't know what to make of this post.

They inherit the biases of society (unfortunately).

They are also seeded with a bit of randomness for variety in responses. See this (YT Short)

Ask the same exact question and you'll get a variety of answers.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Don't know what to make of this post?

Sounds more like you have very definite ideas about it. And are offering excuses on google's behalf.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

Why would I, a Lemmy user, be defending google? Is that the most likely scenario here? Or is it that I just think all of these models are flawed in a similar way? The linked short was about ChatGPT.

Edit:

Maybe try posting this to !fuck_ai@lemmy.world ?

[–] Soliae@lemm.ee 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Tell me you don’t understand “AI” in LLMs without telling me you don’t understand AI in LLMs.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well, yeah. It’s an LLM built on a lot of scraping social media.

[+] rainrain@sh.itjust.works -6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Now that's an interesting idea.

We ask questions. Get answers by scraping social media.. The answers inform social media. Informing further answers to questions. Etc. A spinning wheel.

It's deeply incestuous. In a hundred generations what monsters may spawn?

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 2 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

Its not "an interesting idea", it's exactly how they work.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Ideas about how things work can be interesting too.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 2 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (2 children)

Its not an "idea about how it works". It is how it works.

Can you not just admit you learned something here? Or do you just have to argue with everything to try and appear right?

What's wrong with, "oh, I didn't know that. How interesting!"

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 minutes ago

I think it was the part about how the training data gets poisoned that was the interesting idea.

It is also the reality we're living in however.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 0 points 19 minutes ago (1 children)

are you a robot?

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 2 points 16 minutes ago (1 children)

Let's rewind to before that desperate (and likely spontaneous) accusation, and I'll give you another chance to reply in a normal manner.

No deflection. Just admit you didn't know LLMs scrape social media. That's all. It's okay; we don't come into this world with all of its knowledge.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 minutes ago

I actually did have a vague idea in that general direction.

But that's rather beside my point. I mean, the AI definitely offered these answers. The answers are definitely gender biased. Offering that it's merely an artifact of the LLM technology is definitely a terrible excuse for that.

And given that LLMs are well known to be tweaked to align better with the philosophical styles of the hour, doubly so.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

That's how people use those words. A woman is described as "pushy" for being assertive. It's a commonly known problem.