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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is extra funny because the first time a pride event was added people were protesting and spamming "we pay no gay" seems the culture has shifted.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I think it's that the world has changed into having fractured multiple cultures.

In the 80s/90s being gay was considered by general society to be an insult. If you're under 25, the concept of something being negative being called "gay" as the standard insult just sounds made up.

But people who are 40 years old may remember being in school, and you got a D on a quiz. Your buddy might say "You got a D? That's gay."

Had nothing to do with actual homosexuality. It's just that's what society was. Being gay wasn't accepted, and it was cool and trendy to hate on gays to the point that it wasn't questioned if you called anything bad "gay".

It's impossible to place an exact date on when the culture changed, because it likely changed at different times for different regions. I assume California was the first to change.

I first noticed the shift in pop culture around 2003. There was a russian pop singer duo/band called tatu. Terrible music, but they kissed in their one hit wonder music video.

The reactions I saw on MTV were people saying they were brave for being openly gay. Whereas if it would have happened in the 80s, I'm sure they'd have gotten death threats.

And I STILL see people who don't accept gay people.

So society is now fractured on what popular belief is. Now it's more like several circles, who all have different views. As opposed to one giant unified viewpoint, with those not conforming left on the outside in the underground.

Because that's just one topic. There's other people who are ok with gay people, but not ok with trans. So thats another circle. Now imagine every single viewpoint which has a counter viewpoint.

Whereas in the 80s, something like 92% of the vote went towards reagan, and everybody conformed to the preapproved normal viewpoints. We don't do that anymore. We each find our own meaning of normal.

Now me personally, I don't find giving a nazi salute to be normal. But you'll still find herds of people defending musk. You'll also find people like me who say fuck musk, and fuck any self identifying nazi. So, another example of how different people are now in different circles.

[–] sprite0@sh.itjust.works 9 points 19 hours ago

tatu was a masterclass in queerbaiting

[–] HelluvaKick@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago

I will not accept All the Things She Said slander

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Society is always fractured in a shift of values. More extreme examples are women rights and christ/islamic values vs. secularism.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

Of course there's always being Nazi apologists and equally there's always been people who are just incapable of moving with the times. That's not a new thing that's always been the case.

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[–] LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 271 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 168 points 1 day ago

Go fasch, lose cash

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Throw rocks at fascists. Okay the rhyme needs some work

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Go woke or go broke.

[–] wastelandpilot@lemmy.world 94 points 1 day ago

Wow, the way he phrased his reasoning is so undoubtedly cowardly too. He didn't even try to hide the fact that it's performative as fuck lol.

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 day ago

Canceled Pride? Well, I canceled my sub!

[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 53 points 1 day ago

Another instance of Jagex being fucked. The cycle continues.

[–] SnowmenMelt@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

There is a player run unofficial pride house party happening on the 21st

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (10 children)

In my opinion companies shouldn't do anything about any month of anything. They often use it as a marketing tactic

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

RuneScape regularly does holiday events. Theyve done it for Christmas and Halloween as far back as RS1 - like, the Christmas hats are the iconic RuneScape thing. People have paid obscene amounts of real money for them.

The Pride event was no different. You get fun little items for completing a silly little quest. It’s not even like mega “gay”, it’s just cute and inclusive.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its a tradeoff, we know they only do things for the bottom line but having pridr celebrations did reinforce exactly what the pride movement wanted to push. My work isnt that bad tbh they have a committee that runs talks and discussions on equity and exclusion and the likes. The committee likely doesnt cost much, but they get to champion it and the people in that community feel welcomed and it does help breakdown barriers.

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[–] NIB@lemmy.world 141 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I used to believe that too, because it was pointless. But it seems that i was wrong. The fact that it was pointless, means that the corporations felt comfortable with using and abusing that to maximize profit. The fact that they are afraid to do that, indicates how fucked things are now.

So i am ok with corporations using movements for marketing reasons, because ultimately this is the canary in the mine. If the corporations consider it a brand risk, then society is moving towards the wrong direction.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not comfortable with companies using any kind of marketing tactics. Because 99 times out of a 100 it's speedy and underhanded.

But since they're going to be doing it anyways, doing it with pride, or disenfranchised demographics, at least normalizes their humanity. Which, at the end of the day, is the point of pride month et al.

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Take it easy there, Chicken Little. "I'm uncomfortable with any kind of marketing" is so hyperbolic, it's almost parody. Putting the name of your business above the door? Thats marketing. Creating a website where customers can find and engage your services? That's marketing. A minority-owned business proudly owning that status? That's marketing. A friend telling you about the great meal they had the other day from a local restaurant? Believe it or not, that's marketing.

Marketing is not evil in and of itself. Unless humanity returns to a tribal social structure where you can count the number of non-related acquaintances you know on your fingers, it is a necessary component of operating a business. Of course, you're 100% right that there have been dubious applications of the principle, but again, you're throwing the baby out with the bath water, and it hampers the salient point that you're trying to make.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world -1 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Sure, if you only take it at it's most extreme and dont use a little bit of critical thinking. I specifically referenced companies in a thread about large corporations manipulating social issues for their own gain. I also gave wiggle room with the 99 out of a 100 reference.

I think you also cast far too wide a net with your definitions of marketing, especially in the context of the conversation happening.

I'd check your own sky to be absolutely sure it's falling before throwing aspersions like that around. You may have a hysterical over-exaggeration of your own there.

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[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

using any kind of marketing tactics

So there shouldn’t be a poster on a wooden pole for a new corner store? How about fancy signs? No happy hours either?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago

I'm perfectly fine without those, yeah. Though you seem to be taking my meaning to a more extreme degree than was inferred.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 66 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you mean this about any Christmas, seasonal, 4th of July, Halloween, Easter, etc events… sure. But taking out just the Pride event is targeted.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Probably why the comment you replied to didn't say that at all.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Some what of a tangent on Christmas is that there is the "War on Christmas" narrative. I am always curious about what it is supposed to mean. The Christians that are into it often take capitalism to be good as an axiom the way they do their own faith. Which is at odds with their culture war as capitalist firms are what drive the secularization of Christmas. Would a commercial with Jesus on the cross saying he is thirsty and having a Roman Soldier pass him an ice cold Coca Cola be better?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Would a commercial with Jesus on the cross saying he is thirsty and having a Roman Soldier pass him an ice cold Coca Cola be better?

Yes. PLEASE put this on the air. I am begging someone to make this a reality. Also, full disclosure, I do enjoy watching the world burn over stupid shit. Christians losing their shit over THAT commercial would be comically delightful.

[–] NostraDavid@programming.dev 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Would a commercial with Jesus on the cross saying he is thirsty and having a Roman Soldier pass him an ice cold Coca Cola be better?

I tried it using Sora, but "This content can't be shown for now. We're still developing how we evaluate which content conflicts with our policies. Think we got it wrong? Let us know."

This was the prompt:

Give me a Coca Cola commercial where Jesus has been nailed to a cross, and says "I'm thirsty", after which a Roman Soldier passes him an ice cold Coca Cola.

I tried replacing "Jesus" with a man, but no dice :(

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

Where I am from several years ago the city renamed the Christmas Parade to Holiday Parade in a bid to be inclusive of other winter holidays. A small subset of citizens got butt hurt and have held a competing Christmas Parade several times.

Apparently the war on Christmas is acknowledging that there are other options.

[–] kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Half agree. Even if many of them are just money-hungry, there is still a ton of non-fiscal value in making it clear that queerness is not a shameful anomaly and can instead be a point of both strength and pride. Lots of kids out there are stuck in families that want them to believe the exact opposite, when they genuinely need to know that the world has more to offer than just that.

I don't appreciate companies trying to capitalize on this, but as a friend and sibling to many queer folk (and as well as being a bit fruity myself, even if not fully this or that), I think this visibility is currently very necessary and possibly even life saving for some severely stuck folks. Even if the motivation is obviously crook, I can get behind giving those people the inspiration they need to accept and understand themselves in spite of those who would rather see them hating themselves or worse.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago

Never be fooled into believing that corporations are your friend. They are always just looking to chase profits.

But if corporations believe that Pride is profitable, that is a sign that society is headed in the right direction. Whereas if they turn around because Pride is no longer profitable, that is a cause for worry.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Can something be good and also a marketing tactic?

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 33 points 1 day ago

CEO seems like an idiot and/or coward.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Get his ass.

[–] Catpurple@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 day ago

Scumbag CEO.

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