Is anyone else using Delta chat as an alternative? I can’t fault their idea of basing their chat app on the well established email system.
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I find it really frustrating that supporters of Open Protocols appear to live in cognitive dissonance of both wanting to be "used by everyone" and "to be a small gated community".
You can't keep money out forever and with that does come influence which I know. But eventually wouldn't you like to talk to your mother on a protocol you trust, with a client she understands?
Yeah... well, it seems to me that Matrix is potentially there. I mean I could install Element X on my parents' phones, set it up with some account and be done with it. It would be as good as signal and whatsapp from an UX perspective. And I could then chat with them with any of the existing dozens of Matrix clients.
The worst problem, if you can call it that, currently is that Signal is good enough.
All in all, I think reading through all these messages makes me feel like doubling down on Matrix. It is currently a very passable IRC, Signal and Slack replacement and the only remaining problem is that those things already exist.
(Discord doesn't need replacing, just destroying)
That's like saying POP3 is cooked.
Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- good discussion in that thread in general
VC funding destroys everything it touches.
It's fine if matrix.org goes down the shitter.
The protocol is what's important.
SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder's positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he's also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I've lost receipts to that.
I did not know this. I've seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn't know.
This should be an awareness post on some tech communities
So happy the article linked to the Fediverse post, immediately liked and boosted it.
Never used SimpleX much really but will be immediately uninstalling it. Saw the guy's tweets, he's fucking insane, and retweets RFK Jr 🤢. Will do my best to inform others.
Is that it? We stop using better programs because we disagree with the creator's views?
What a disgusting, childish world some of these people live in.
"I was going to buy that house, but the owner's views made me reconsider. I decided to go with something worse."
Thank you so, so, so, so much for saying this!
Me neither, this is actually disgusting, immediately uninstalled, a founder that has these views most likely shouldn’t be trusted with your data, anyway.
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I think it’d help them a lot to disable new signups on the m.org home server for a while and direct people to some of the other popular options, they spend too much on their own example server imo
Personally have been hosting my own server for me and friends. Cheaper and easier than I expected it to be 🤠
cheap and easy? I tried running it myself and ran into several hurdles, and gave up. How did you host it? VPS? Docker? Bare-metal?
cheaper and easier than I expected, at least. wouldn't want to say anyone can do it, you'd need some familiarity with the command line and dns but I'm lucky enough to have some experience with them. either way, this is the guide I followed, and I just pointed it at a hetzner vps https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy/blob/master/docs/quick-start.md
I installed it with pip in 2017 without issues
I'm not who you replied to, but there is a big stack of ansible playbooks for it that make it pretty pushbutton. They primarily use docker. This is what I used and I got it setup in like an hour.
yeah I did the ansible. You just fill out a config file & point it at any Linux server with python installed and it’ll set things up for you
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This article is nonsense. The Foundation was always a front for New Vector and their board is largely made up by New Vector employees. So of course they knew what was going on.
New Vector simply decided that the strategy to make Matrix appear as an open standard was against their business interests and thus left the foundation to fend for itself with obvious consequences.
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How complicated is a federated messenger? Because it feels like matrix is the only one but there's always an issue
Matrix is the best option and we should be focusing on improving it instead of restarting from scratch.
They need more resources and better design, but that comes with time. Don't let them sucker you out of money to fuel their consumerist lifestyles.
It feels like there could/should be a good modern chat protocol and voice protocol and you just pick which interface you want to use, much like email currently does, except for chatrooms.
There is -- jabber and jingle. And for a ver-ry brief few weeks, Google's jabber/jingle worked openly with Facebook's, and everyone could message each other. And then BOTH arbitrarily broke it with some sparkle-junkie resume-bait software 'up'grade and neither worked with anything else after that.
It was glorious.
There is: XMPP 🤷
modern
But i also feel like xmpp got feature creeped. Not to long ago, basically every messenger spoke its own subset of xmpp, basically.
It's not any worse than the differen't feature support levels of different Matrix clients. But especially on Android, XMPP has nice modern clients with all the features you would expect, including a/v calls and reactions/stickers.
The main issue right now are up to date Windows desktop clients, but on Linux desktop there are some good options.
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