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[–] CultHero@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There's gotta be ~~criminals~~ non-ICE who exploit this. Like it must be so easy now for ransomers to kidnap somebody.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What may have been the largest organized protests in American history were just a few days back, the president has record-breakingly low approval, even his own party's talking heads are turning against him. If you're not going to be satisfied by anything short of armed uprising then at least be brave enough to say as much, but pretending that Americans just don't see anything wrong and aren't doing anything is an act of wilful and blatant ignorance.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't rest on your laurels just yet. You'll know when you've begun to turn the tide because the beast will lash out. The restraint we are seeing right now just means they've got a whole lot more in the tank.

You dont have to look further than last October to see this same type of hubris play out. Kamala had momentum and there was 100% a point where if the vote happend then she would have won. For what ever reason they backed off on the "weird" stuff and started rolling out the neocons. The DNC is going to fuck you and you wont even see it coming.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're only proving that you don't actually have any idea what's going on here, acting like we're resting on our laurels because there was a big protest. Nobody here is thinking "Yeah we made ourselves heard, job's done!" Nobody here says the fight is won, but you're out here acting like nothing is being done at all.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (6 children)

If you see Ice agents covering their faces, call 911 and report a masked man with a gun.

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please forgive my ignorance but isn't the police force in USA known for its violence and profiling? Wouldn't they be "in" on it, too?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (6 children)

ICE isn't alerting local law enforcement of what's happening. They get a call about a masked gunman and they'll show up.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Lie and say they looked black so police show up faster and use their guns before asking to identify.

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[–] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I mean America is a fascist regime. And you know who support fascism? Fascists. So I guess most fascists are kinda OK with what's happening.

That's not denial, that's full endorsement.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How long will people

The Gestapo could be hauling them away in cuffs and putting them away in camps and some will just go "why is this happening to me? there must be some mistake"

Anyone who is still on the fence is either only tuned into propaganda or is incapable of reasoning.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Or still thinks that the leopard won't eat their face, because it hasn't so far.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

funny how you never hear from the "cold dead hands" guys when tyranny actually happens

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Generally people in America don’t get organized until there’s a disaster. That’s one of the lessons of the Great Depression/New Deal. Not the most optimal way to maintain democracy. It’s not really “maintenance” if you wait for the thing to break and then fix it.

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[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think the line between a liberal democracy and fascism is much blurrier than most people think. I suspect the transition from one to the other, going in either direction, is entirely dependent on how much internal forces threaten the ruling capitalist class.

Right now, I think the US is on the decline but hasn’t yet experienced a crisis which really threatens the power of the capitalist class. Fascists seeking power therefore need to manufacture crises in order to accumulate power. That’s where I think the US is at right now.

However, I’m not sure how well it will really work. Democratic state leaders are effectively demonstrating that the existing law enforcement structures are perfectly capable of violently cracking down on dissent. So if you’re a wealthy capitalist, why would you push your bought and paid for judges and politicians to make Trump president for life? It seems like a needlessly risky move in my opinion.

That said, we can only say that the rich will operate rationally to protect their own interests on average. Individually, they can be wildly erratic like Elon Musk has proven to be. As such, the more wealth is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, the less predictable the outcomes are.

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[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 107 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

It's not even new. They did this to people during 2020 protests. They drove up in mini vans jumped out, grabbed people and pulled them into the mini van and drove off.

There used to be footage of it but I haven't been able to find it. I think it was happening in Portland and Seattle. At the time there was live stream footage. And it usually happened later in the night as people were cooling off and dispersing.

America hasn't been what it preaches for half century at least.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/evelyn-bassi-illegal-abudction-portland-protests-1357279/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portland/

The video snopes talks about I saw. Possibly even live streaming at the time because I was hooked on watching all that. Iirc it was a bronze gold colored minivan and the sliding door opened and 1 or two guys got out masked and just grabbed the person and pulled the protestor in and drove off.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Am from Seattle.

Yep, this happened in Seattle and Portland multiple times, just basically black bagging people into unmarked vans by... presumably, plain clothes / "off duty" / half kitted out, face obscured, no visible ID cops.

They typically did this black bagging to people who had not actually broken any laws, but were so effective at keeping protester morale high, and/or were simply causing overwhelming masses of people to defend them from, in many cases, literally entirely unprovoked police assault/brutality.

Most of these were the people they wanted to removr but knew that no charges would actually stick because they had nothing, and then release them 24-72 hours later.

Sometimes they'd black bag / white van people who had actually crossed the threshold into doing something they could actually charge you for, but most of the time, nope.

I know that in Portland the cops actively decided to act as body guards for fascists, and look the other way when they attacked people.

In Seattle, ... the cops intentionally started so much shit, assaulting nonviolent people, well we uh... we literally forced them to abandon their major police office in Capitol Hill.

As in, we seiged them. Surrounded the building for days. Eventually they burned a bunch of records and made a stealthy withdrawal in the dead of night.

That police center is only a few blocks from where the 'CHAZ' would be set up.

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.

As in, we literally drove out the local police and are thus now autonomous.

... We've still never seen the all the actual communications between the police chief and mayor, other internal police records... because the police destroyed them. They destroyed them because they almost certainly outlined numerous violations of the law in terms of orders issued, tactics used, illegal arrests/detainments, bullshit 'overtime' overpayments and other financial shenanigans, crimes committed by the police and probably all the way up to the police chief and mayor engaging in a criminal conspiracy.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (19 children)

There are still people here who still make the excuse that Harris is just as bad as Trump, you guys are fucked as a country

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[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pretty much every other sign at the protests on Saturday openly called the situation fascism. "No fascist USA" was a common chant across America. LA erupted in civil unrest when fascists rolled up and starting trucking people out by the dozen, and people everywhere roared in protest.

Many of us have noticed. Many of us are working on it. We need to organize. We need to band together. We need to convince people that it's not hopeless, that it's not just more of the same and that it's not inevitable.

Together we can change things. We need to do everything we can to grind the wheels of fascism to a halt. Feel free to help!

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Now? You think this happens at the drop of a hat? The entire system is built that way since decades.

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[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

For some it'll probably take til his fourth

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