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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

If you’re serving in this military, and you don’t refuse the orders to do another fucking unprovoked, unjustified, poorly defined, illegal forever war, YOU DESERVE all the ptsd, dismemberment, ridicule, death, and shitty healthcare that is coming.

I know quitting is hard, and disruptive, but isn’t it far better than spending the rest of your life shitting in a bag, rolling to your pt appointment, with the gnawing suspicion that you are the comically evil villain in all those comic book movies you enjoyed as a child?

You have agency. You don’t have to sacrifice your health and peace of mind to the soulless, profiteering machine, that is (yet again) lying to us. Please stand up for yourself. Be an actual hero.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 hours ago

Ready for Vietnam 2 Desert Boogaloo? No? Well that's un-fortunate son.

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (4 children)

I know quitting is hard

Uh, you can't just turn in your two weeks when you're in the military. There's a reason why AWOL is a thing. And you can't apply as a conscientious objector to an individual conflict. Even if you apply, it can still be denied.

You have agency

You literally don't, unless you'd prefer prison and dishonorable discharge.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

It's almost as if that's something that you should be aware of and prepared for if you join a volunteer military force. Especially one that demands that you refuse unlawful orders.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago

You would've made a great lawyer at Nuremberg.

[–] polyploy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 hours ago

The choice is between imprisonment/discharge and participating in the actions of the fascist war machine. Is obeying orders worth ruining the rest of your life with the knowledge and scars (physical + mental) that stem from them?

You do still have agency, the choice is just between being punished for doing the right thing, or participating in something illegal and monstrous with the slim chance of never being punished for it. Even if that punishment never comes, the internal torment and external judgement will be unavoidable.

Seriously, there is absolutely no disguising what is being defended here, the israelis have been starving, torturing, and murdering Palestinian children for over 600 days. There is no shortage of evidence of their heinous conduct. If someone is ordered to participate in an illegal war of aggression on their behalf, it is their moral and ethical duty to disobey those orders.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Your job is to blow shit up and kill people, and you can’t find the wherewithal to refuse the orders? Ok. Fuck you, you’re the bad guy. I look forward to spitting on the box they send back.