Bazzite: The Gaming OS Microsoft Doesn't Want You To Know About : linux

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

I'm hijacking this thread to ask a question:

Bazzite latest MESA how?

I can see that the driver released on the 18th is available on Fedora Rawhide, but it may contain the fix I need that removes graphical artefacting in Unreal Engine 5 games like Oblivion Remastered, Avowed, and Dune Awakening (checking the MESA developer forums shows that they've identified the problem. Checking their git shows they've found a fix to the problem, hence why I'm expecting the fix to be in the version release of the 18th).

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

I moved from win10 to PikaOS, after misunderstanding why linux mint installed on a USB was unusably slow. It's fine, but some weird problems. I think Mint can get closed source Nvidia drivers easily enough. The open drivers are fine enough.

is Bazite better than Pika? is fedora base better than Debian/Arch base?

[–] RazgrizOne@piefed.zip 135 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a cringe title. I love bazzite - I run my PC I just built exclusively on it! - but microsoft doesn't give 2 shits about it. I highly doubt they give Bazzite any thought.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 23 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

SteamOS scares the shit out of them, though, given that they're creating a "competitor".

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yeah and they unleashed some not and trolls to critic Linux gale experience, saying that Xbox give more performance and play more games. Comparing Xbox to steamdeck but melt down and go for personnal insult pr deforming ypur words when you tell them to compare a Xbox with a linux PC with same specs than xbox

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 24 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I think it's a great OS and it's absolutely amazing how far Linux Gaming has come even in the last few years. Personally, I have to say I'm not a huge fan of Bazzite's immutability-based design. I know there are pros and cons, and they just don't balance for me. I'm a tinkerer, I like to play with the OS internals and have full control of them. Sometimes that causes problems, but it also causes learning, and I like to learn how the OS works and what it's doing "under the hood" and in my mind Linux is great for that and that's part of the appeal. For a lot of people, an immutable OS is probably the right way to go, it's much safer, and stabler, and I know most people don't care. But I do think it's worth considering that Linux is not one-size-fits-all and while Bazzite might be best for some people it's not best for everyone.

As soon as you start getting into more customization, if you find annoyances you want to fix, sometimes it's much easier when you're on a traditional, non-immutable distro, and I consider it an important bonus that this will help you learn. You do have to be more careful, and more respectful about running shell commands freely that might destroy your system, but I think that's good experience to have.

Personally I run PikaOS (debian-based) with KDE Plasma 6 and it's been an absolute pleasure. I have found some of the above mentioned annoyances, but I've fixed them to my satisfaction and I'm extremely happy with the result. I have yet to find any game that is difficult to get running, I have yet to find anything that is difficult at all really. It's been straightforward and rock solid stable. I give a lot of credit to not just the distros but also to projects like KDE, Wine, Proton, Lutris, etc. which are building this incredible gaming ecosystem on Linux. It couldn't be a better time to dump Windows, and soon we'll be at the point where no one will mourn it.

[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm a new Bazzite (nvidia) user, but I use Linux in various flavors for self-hosting already so I'm not a complete newbie.

I'm personally ok with the immutability of the os on my desktop, I'd rather be more free to break things in my homelab environment than lose an OS install on my desktop because I flew too close to the sun.

I 100% understand the appeal though.

[–] freethemedia@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 20 hours ago

Personally I think the immutability is amazing precisely because it lets me tinker. Being able to layer packages and roll back if it’s not happy finally lets me try out different development setups

The way I see it, an os is just a set of fixed versions. I might as well treat it like a git checked requirements.txt or package.lock.json

Nix is also nice for that but that’s just a straight up config file nothing else.

Bazzite at least comes with preloaded options and wizards to choose other things

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Ok. I'm not trying it. I mess with everything.

In a similar theme, I don't like the latest TrueNAS because if you want to mess with the OS, you gotta force it. Annoying as hell. I built my own nas instead.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago

People who say Bazzite isn't for tinkerers just misunderstand it. It's extremely tinker friendly, just not in the ways people are used to.

I'd say it's actually a lot more tinker friendly because it's super easy to revert changes.

[–] statler_waldorf@sopuli.xyz 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's totally legit. I prefer having my primary machine immutable so I can't break things. I have a mini PC that's my tinker platform. I have kubuntu on there now but may have to give PikaOS a try.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

For what it's worth, Nobara's another good option and being Fedora-based might be more familiar if you're coming from Bazzite. I think the developers of PikaOS and Nobara are the same, or at least I think the projects share some history and some effort. Either way both are great distros depending on which flavor of package management you prefer. I'm definitely "an apt person" so Pika birb OS is the one for me, also it's got a pretty cute art theme.

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 18 hours ago

I've been pondering Nobara for a while, tbh. GE Proton is already my goto and most trusted runner, and GloriousEggroll is the mind behind Nobara (though I'm unsure if they're the sole dev or not).

From what I've seen, it just sets you up for gaming right out of the box with minimal effort. The post-install welcome menu looks clean. It has everything you need to set up and install in one menu.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago

definitely "an apt person" so Pika birb OS

You're gonna love what conectiva did with apt AND rpm.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I prefer cachyos, also cachyos lets me use gparted and like a whole de gui for install off the usb, it was comfortable and easier than windows, bazzite was still a terminal. Felt less "scary" swapping over.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 12 minutes ago

I don't remember using a text interface to install Bazzite

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hmm, interesting. Is there perhaps one weird trick to using it?

[–] towerful@programming.dev 27 points 1 day ago

You wouldn't believe it!

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 20 hours ago

Paragraph 3 will shock you!

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Just a heads up, if you play a lot of Japanese games. I have had incredible trouble playing pretty much any Japanese game that isn't potato-esq since switching to Linux. I figured I'd get that out there. I gave up on playing them, which stinks because there are some very interesting games out there to play. If I can emulate, I do. But anything from Steam would just crash, within 10-20 minutes of playing them.

[–] bisby@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I feel like "Japanese games" is pretty vague. Square Enix and Fromsoft are some of the largest Japanese studios out there and their games work great on Linux.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 9 points 1 day ago

I don't do studios like that anymore but I will say that I have had trouble. Also, as someone who is Japanese, I am not out here trying to bash Japanese games specifically. I just know that I have explicitly had issues repeatedly with Japanese games. Which is why I want to warn people. Because I am not going to go out of my way to play them. I know there are other people who are migrating who are in the same boat. I hate when people say "Oh, everything is peachy" because it's not. There are issues, and people should be aware of them.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

I am not a major gamer anymore. I play whatever I want to, when it catches my interest. But I pretty much play simple stuff. When I want to play games with "fancy graphics" it tends to be Japanese based. I like the stylized higher-end graphics of Japanese games over other countries. Even Chinese based ones. There is just a nice beauty to them. I don't know studios like that anymore, which is why I didn't go through the list. But equally, it really isn't important to me personally - so I don't have recall on them. I just know I tried a series of different Japanese games that I had both in my library already, as well as have purchased over the past couple of years. I have had consistent crash issues. I don't think Japanese studios care that much about computer ports. I can't even run Elin on my damn computer. I don't care, because there are many games out there. I can also emulate many of the games I am interested in. The money doesn't go to the developer, but I can't help that if it is impossible for me to play it.

The biggest intention I had in saying what I said - is that I wanted people to know it's not all roses. Even using Wine to emulate wonderful programs that I loved on Windows, Black Ink for example (my most used Steam product) is absolutely abysmal on Linux. I gave up, and switched to Krita. 10/10 would rather use Black Ink. I can dual boot, but Windows is a CREEP. I would rather lose accessibility to items, than continue to work in the Microsoft environment. I just hate when people show only the good sides of things, especially social media content/influencers, when in actuality there are issues which must be addressed and in turn stop the casual user from utilizing something they want to. I am sure there are hoops someone can jump to gain whatever they want. I will jump those hoops for exceptional things. Most things, I will lay to rest. This, I laid to rest. I have had issues with Square Enix games. I do not play their new stuff, so that could be it. Also, just because something is Deck Verified doesn't mean it'll work outside of there. Even when checking Proton.db.

This isn't some "Wuhan flu" stuff. This is me bringing my valid experience while using one of the most commonly sold graphics cards. Just to let others know that while things are great, they're not perfect.

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Use Lutris and install all required languages, fonts, and regions through winetricks. I had it set up once, I gotta do it again at some point.

There's an article out there in the wild somewhere. Just search for "how to play visual novels in Lutris". Iirc, I think GE Wine runs VNs better than proton. I enjoy psychological horror VNs and busted ass getting them to work, but they do work and well once you have it set up.

Use one prefix for all your Japanese games so that you don't have to do it every time. Then just select that prefix any time you're installing or playing a VN/Japanese game. You can change region locale through Lutris configuration without the need for a third party app, too.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't imagine playing any VisNovels would be difficult, as those I have played from time to time. I am pretty much talking games which require graphics cards. The only Japanese title I have not had trouble with to be honest is Soul Hackers 2. Which people panned, so I don't think people are clamoring to play it. I have had issues playing games from other countries of origin, but have consistently had issues playing Japanese games to the point of noting it. I just emulate instead.

What psych-horror VNs do you play? I love horror and like VNs.

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A long looong time ago, my gf found one called Saya no Uta. It has H-Scenes (only a few I think), but its pretty well written. I wasn't as big on it as she was, but that started my adventure down dark mystery/psychological horror VN. To this day its her favorite, though.

I can't remember everything I played and enjoyed (I wish I could but its so long ago now). I actually had to search for my favorite one because I constantly forget it. Its more dark mystery psychological with only a small amount of horror scenes, but its called DIVI-DEAD.

Again, it has H-Scenes, but thats not the sole premise. There are so many clues and endings. It has a college campus map, so being in certain places at certain times changes everything. I believe you get a time limit of like... 1 in game week to get the best ending? It goes off the rails a bit here and there, but I have fond, albeit blurry memories of it. It feels so dim and unsettling for such an old game. So good.

I've also seen that CHAOS;HEAD has good reviews, but I don't know much about it- only that I've seen the name before and I think it got an anime a long time ago. I'll keep looking and trying to remember more.

Actually just remembered one. Its called Another. It had a fairly popular anime release, but if you haven't seen it I recommend that one as well. And, of course, there's the well known Doki-Doki Literature Club.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I did some hoping, and some seriously long looks at the list. Thank you for these! I was gunna toss you some back if you don't mind. I realized none of them are JP, but they are all vis-novels.

Mediterranea Inferno Giallo, Homo, Death Game Pumpkin Eater Kinetic, Vomit Fest, Trauma Grotesque Beauty Ito, Dream Realm, Monster We Know the Devil Counter-Culture, Queer, Great OST

Idk if you would like any of these, but they've all been nice games to "play." Some are less interactive than others.

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Got these written down in my Obsidian vault (alongside DIVI-DEAD, because I'll be damned if I forget that one again). Interaction is minor. I don't really play VN to interact with anything, but its cool if there's some sort of mechanic.

For example, Kamidori Alchemy Meister actually has fairly compelling adventure, party building, monster catching, shop building, crafting, and shop sales mechanics (much like Moonlighter shop and sales mechanic). Its a huge game with a ton of characters, but still advertises as a VN.

For me, I don't need all that as long as there's a compelling story. I know some VN out there literally don't have choices and just play as... well, as visual novels, lol. Thank you for the list. Pumpkin Eater actually stands out the most to me. It seems reminiscent of analog horror done in a VN watercolor. I like the aesthetic and it already feels unsettling.

If you want some non-VN psychological horrors, my top two are Fran Bow and Sally Face. Sally Face is incredibly good, but Fran Bow is a very VERY close second. They're more point and click puzzlers, but that's another favorite genre of mine.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 2 points 3 hours ago

The funniest part is DIVI-DEAD was the one that was calling to me the most. Probably because the way you praised it. I figured I would give it a watch to see what's going on with it, and go from there (gotta track these guys down you know?) I think vis-novels are probably the easier of the bunch to get going. Holy jam, Kamidori is set @119 hour playtime? Jesus Christ, that's not a VN, that's War & Peace.

Pumpkin Eater I played once, and have thought of as the grossest VisNovel I have ever read. It's kind of like sad family splatter-punk. It is kinetic however, it's kind of like paying for a show or something. Doesn't bug me, but I do know people are like "Where's the game!?" Speaking of good games (I see you there!) I love those two very much! They capture the frantic joy of flash games to me. Which I think Jars does as well, as long as you're not against grinding in a puzzle game. It's just so cute, a little "spoopy" and has such a fun OST. Right now, I am currently playing Look Outside, which is a RPG Maker game with a lot of love put into it. My most recent play however was Sanitarium which champed it's way through the whole thing on my laptop. I played it with headphones and heard stuff I had never heard before. Was a great game, is a great game. It's Adventure based however, in fact none of these are VisNovs, just spoopy games. They're what's been on my radar as of late.

[–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its because you need the Japanese locale that windows uses.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Idk, because there are games that were Western ports without any Japanese in them. But also I don't really care, because what I want to play are now probably all considered "retro" games and I just emulate them instead. That works fine.

[–] Unboxious@ani.social 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Really? The only one I've had issues with is Persona 5, and even then I was able to get it working. Which GPU are you using?

Edit: now that I think about it I did have some trouble with Hatoful Boyfriend.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hatoful I'd say is potato-esq but I haven't played it in a long time so idk how it runs on Linux. I think VisNovels would all be pretty easy to run. I get the font issues. I think often it's some weird resolution issue, maybe with the videos or animations or something. I know it's not just me, as all the titles I see (like No More Heroes) are just plagued with people claiming they crash. Soul Hackers 2, I got working. Yaiba crashed like crazy. Neo Atlas was a crash-a-thon. Some other ones that I had hanging around crashed. I saw consistently it was Japanese games crashing out. I figured there had to be some issue with support, so I gave up. I like older games anyways.

p.s. - Nvidia, partners old gaming laptop. Three series, if that's how you note it =P! Either way, I don't like laptops, but I hate waste more. Would rather have Ryzen, and a desktop.

[–] Unboxious@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Funnily enough Hatoful Boyfriend has a Linux release. When I try playing that in Japanese though I get a weird issue with fonts not showing up even though I'm pretty sure I have the correct fonts installed. Maybe it's some weird containerization thing that keeps the game from seeing the font. When I try playing the Windows release it just doesn't launch... is what I was going to say but I just tried it with Proton Experimental and it seems to work perfectly now. Problem solved I guess?

p.s. - Nvidia, partners old gaming laptop

My condolences.

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh, that's really cute! I never thought about it, but it'd be a really fun game to play in Japanese. I have met my fair share of games East/West that load up on Proton and then close. I tend to return them, unless I know someone in my family wants to play them as well. I am the only one on Linux, tbh.

*No worries! I play pretty much exclusively pixel/text based games. I am not hurting. I can also emulate consoles, so I figure I am winning. I love desktops though. They're just hard to move, and I like to travel light nowadays.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

With Proton? What games?

[–] profgrumpypants@midwest.social -3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Oh my god, you guys are killing me.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

RIP

[–] alexdeathway@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wonder what is the otigin of that name?

[–] xela@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Answered here: https://docs.bazzite.gg/General/FAQ/

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why is it called Bazzite?

Fedora Linux's Atomic Desktops originally followed a naming scheme based on minerals. Bazzite is a mineral that is known for being strong, lightweight, and is colored blue.

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