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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

i feel like it should be more chaotic evil

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

Ah but they're the ones that make the laws.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Thats... Thats not how that alignment chart works at all :p. Lawful means they just follow the teachings of something, not that they themselves dictate it.
Chaotic is all for your own personal gain

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[–] vane@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Funny to live in times when Villains are in power. Probably in 2060s they will compare them with Hitler.

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[–] GhostPain@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I see you wisely chose to leave Taylor Swift off of your chart.

No one wants the Swifties on their asses. :D

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck that, no such thing as a good billionaire and all but one of her songs (Trouble) are boring.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Eh, she's one of the few in her genre that actually writes their own music. She's earned the money. Being mad because that money happens to be an insane amount is childish.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Eh, she's one of the few in her genre that actually writes their own music

Sure, but a shitload of people who write GOOD music themselves toil in obscurity and poverty since they don't have her marketing savvy and looks.

She's earned the money

Not really, no. Failing upwards by successfully marketing boring slop is an example of "stealing a living" no matter how hard you work.

Being mad because that money happens to be an insane amount is childish.

Yes, it's very childish to consider resource hoarding on a society-affecting level in one of the most economically unequal countries in the world selfish, abusive, or even just unsympathetic 🙄

Even if you DO somehow come by riches that vast honestly by providing a superior product or service without abusing anyone, the hoarding of that much is inherently abusive.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

I love how you acknowledge she does write her own music, and then you complain she succeeded because of that.

Grow up. "Resource hoarding"? Lmao Did she steal your stage crew and dance instructor from you?

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Nah, he's neutral evil since he both breaks the law when he wants to and exploits it when he can.

Aa law isn't inherently good or evil, that axis doesn't have anything to do with HOW evil he is.

In fact, I'd argue that, in a world where some laws (like "don't murder" and "don't enslave your workers") are good but others (like "you don't have equal rights if you're any kind of minority or a woman" or "corporations have all of the rights of people and none of the responsibilities") are inherently oppressive, the only consistently GOOD alignment is Neutral Good.

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[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 17 hours ago

evil (but appearing largely lawful)

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

You got me, I immediately scanned the 4 corners for "good" and then sat confused wondering how I misread it.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

A throwback to a series of books that (almost) no one talking about the D&D alignment axes (the axes came from the ideas of the books) knows of anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elric_of_Melnibon%C3%A9 There are actual gods/forces of law and chaos.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I understand that. Why would anyone think any of these men are lawful?

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because the idea of lawful/chaotic NOW draws from the dnd heritage, which has watered down the concepts to 'follows laws' and 'breaks laws' and sadly, most of these pictured assholes 'follow' the laws because their kind got to write the laws. Trump is basically the only exception, and is also basically the only one who is questionably a billionaire.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

They absolutely do not follow laws. They break the laws that don’t get charged, like wage laws. And probably half of them have committed r word against kids. They have the appearance of being lawful, because they have enough money to hide their crimes.

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[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Trump chances his mind on policies constantly. He's governing through chaos. So again Lawful?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, he's very much NE.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

I understand what it is, but I strongly disagree that it applies to these monsters.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I remember a critique of DnD alignments for using 'neutral' instead of 'selfish' and this grid really proves that argument I think.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The biggest problem with d&d axes is that people try to pick an alignment and then have their character's actions come from it (and the resulting frequently induced cross-table talk with the eye-rolling phrase "a lawful/neutral/chaotic good/neutral/evil character wouldn't do that! You're X/Y, so you wouldn't do that!").

No real person has every action fall within one of the outlying boxes' bounds. Actually 'moving' yourself from the neutral spot is (supposed to be) beyond most mortals.

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