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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 hours ago

Chaotic Neutral

[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

unless by lawful you mean they manipulate the law however they please with their money and connections, then no.

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

You miss the point of the law

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 46 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 27 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, there is a convicted felon and an illegal immigrant right there.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'd put Trump and Musk into 'chaotic'

Definitely evil though.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

No need to describe them in any way but just ...

Evil

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 40 points 8 hours ago

Hahahahaha Hahaha haha "Lawful"

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 34 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Trump is more Chaotic Evil

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Facts. D&D defines the chaotic/lawful divide as whether or not the character abides by a code, ethos, or set of rules. So not "Law" in the "Legal Eagle Law Team" kind of way. Chaotic Evil characters don't really play by any rules, are unpredictable, and are just plain the worst.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Sounds like all of them.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 hours ago

It's why he's not a billionaire. Zing!

[–] laserm@lemmy.world 20 points 7 hours ago

Nah, don't forget that DJT is a convicted felon.

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 62 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Fun fact none of them are lawful

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

In the d&d alignment chart they are because capitalists have no inherent power outside of the laws that enforce their property. Devils in D&D will always break the rules(and rebel) if they think they can get away with it.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Huh? Devils are the corporate "trap you in fineprint and kill you with subclauses" type of evil. They are the ones who sell you the monkey's paw and come to collect your soul no matter how it shakes out. Catching them in airtight clauses (or narrow loopholes) is famously how you screw over devils.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 28 points 9 hours ago

They paid congress a lot of money to say that they actually are lawfull

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 195 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

Trump is a felon, so I am not sure "lawful" is the best fit.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 72 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The lawful/chaotic axis represents a person's willingness to follow an external set of rules against their own instincts or opinions. Having a pocket judge or a pocket president to legitimize one's actions does not make that person lawful.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 45 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Trump isn't a felon... He's a multi-felon.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 38 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (7 children)

Also ~~a convicted rapist~~ found responsible in a civil rape trial.

Pedants.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 35 points 11 hours ago (2 children)
[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 16 points 9 hours ago

As in “full of law”

Like, just jam-packed stuffed to the gills with law, to the point where they vomit law out into the world and we all boil to death slowly in their law-infused stomach acid

[–] Laser@feddit.org 32 points 10 hours ago

As in can dictate law

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago

Thiel is so evil he doesn't even fit this chart.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 79 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

A couple of them might be chaotic.

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Bill does some genuinely good stuff. I'm sure he does some bad stuff too though.

[–] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 10 hours ago

there's a book about that, "no such thing as a free gift: the gates foundation and the price of philanthropy"

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Now he's got his he is. In the 80-00 he was as nasty a fucker as all the rest are now.

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[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's actually pretty interesting some of the effects his philanthropic efforts have had.

I think the bottom line is that billionaires shouldn't exist, all said and done.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

billionaires shouldn't exist, all said and done.

Absolutely agreed.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Absolute greed.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 6 points 9 hours ago

Dude was actually best friends with Jeffery Epstein. Like he wanted to hang out with him casually in New York.

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