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As Dem Establishment Backs Cuomo, Calls Grow for NYC Mayor Race to Be 'Referendum' on Party's Direction (www.commondreams.org)
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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 89 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"If a DSA member like Mamdani were to win ... it would be terrible for the city," reads the Third Way memo. "Do New Yorkers really want socialist city-run grocery stores?"

According to an April survey by the Climate & Community Institute and Data for Progress, they do. Two-thirds of New Yorkers said they support the creation of municipal grocery stores ... including 72% of Democratic voters ... Third Way executive vice president Matt Bennett insisted in an interview with Politico on Saturday that a Mamdani victory would allow Republicans to attach the Democratic Party "to ideas that are outside of the mainstream" on a national level.

Just classic establishment Dems here: attacking a wildly popular policy and supporting a corrupt sex offender to avoid fascists calling you a commie.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"Do New Yorkers really want socialist city-run grocery stores?"

Uh... yes? Is this their idea of spinning things in an unfavorable light? I guess this is the one time we can be glad establishment Dems are woefully out of touch.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Any attack ad or article on Zohran always makes me want to vote for him harder

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't you see what kind of slippery slope this is? What's next? Affordable housing? Free healthcare??

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

A living wage? Fair taxes on Sociopathic Oligarchs? Enforcement of the Emoluments Clause? Enforcement of the 14th Amendment/ Section 3? Criminal trials for Traitors?

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

Dems aren't out of touch, they are Republican Lites, and always have been. The Dem leadership need to be purged, and the party re-branded.

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

...to avoid fascists calling you a commie.

Which they will still do.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Why do they worry what fucking TRAITORS think?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 week ago

Iirc Third Way literally is a fascist expression (Mussolini?) and Hilary Rodham Clinton resurrected it, so it's horrible policy.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

My son is a mid 20-something, and extremely politically astute (I raised him that way), and none of his friends have that knee-jerk response to communism or socialism. The current system has been so bad, and getting worse, throughout their entire lives, that they don't understand why we're trying to save it. They'd just as soon try something different, considering what the current system has led to.

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 89 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

“Third Way said it was concerned about Mamdani's affiliation with the Democratic Socialists of America and highlighted what they said were "extreme" policy proposals embraced by the DSA”

> looks at so called ‘extreme’ proposals

> “give everyone water, education, and healthcare.”

God I fucking hate centrists lol.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 35 points 1 week ago

Centrists are right wingers too afraid to own the label.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

And this is the people liberals want America to rally under.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

Fucking sore losers calling for reform when the ppl don’t give a fuck about them anymore and want actual progress

Rank Zohran #1 and don’t even bother with cuomo

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its becoming very obvious that thete isn't a path for progress through the Democrat party.

[–] TacoSocks@infosec.pub 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I fucking hate this logic. Trump took over the Republican party through the primary without Republican party support. People need to vote for the progressives in the Democratic primaries and not wait for the Democrat establishment to endorse them.

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, progressives need to take over the party. That, or start a new one without the baggage in order to really change the system, but that's a lot harder. Not doing either of these is just giving up.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A Progressive 3rd party only strengthens the MAGA Nazis. Preserve the structure, and just take over the party, the way the MAGAs took over the Republican party

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I'm not so sure. There are a lot of people not voting at all, and there's a lot of toxic hate towards the Dems. Unfair, based largely on lies, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people vote against the Dems and their own interests because they believe the lies. A lot of Republicans are disappointed with Trump, but still unwilling to vote Dem.

A clean slate might actually do a lot of good. I do think you'd have to position the party not so much as Progressive, but as "fixing the broken democracy, representing the people rather than the corporations, fixing the overpriced healthcare system", etc. Present a fact-based, people representing center. Offer sane compromises for the culture war issues (abortion access for rape, medical problems and the first 12 weeks, no abortions of healthy fetuses in the last trimester). That gives conservative voters something that sounds totally reasonable and the GOP can't point out that this still legalizes 90% of abortions without revealing they always lied about late term abortions. Do the same with every other culture war issue, while driving home on the issues that actually matter and everybody overwhelmingly wants: cheaper, better healthcare, no corporate money in politics, etc.

I think if you do this big enough (but that's the really hard part), then you might just knock one of the other parties out. Offer a better alternative to both of them, not a more extreme version of one of them.

[–] TacoSocks@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can't start a new party without rank choice voting otherwise you'll just split the vote. You'll be falling for the divide and conquer strategy. Vote for progressives in democratic primaries and support rank choice voting. Only once a vast majority of the country is solidly rank choice should talk of a new party even be mentioned.

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And you're not going to get ranked choice voting without a new party.

However, there are a lot of people who don't vote, and a lot of people who are unhappy about both parties. There are Republican voters disappointed in Trump who still can't bring themselves to vote Dem because of all the propaganda they've put in their heads. A jew party would be a fresh start.

A bigger problem is making it an actually big party, getting media attention, getting money to campaign with, etc. US politics runs on money. Because yet another Green or Libertarian Party won't be helping.

[–] TacoSocks@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And you're not going to get ranked choice voting without a new party.

Not true, parts of the US have ranked choice. You have ignored the divide and conquer point. You cannot have a new party before ranked choice without splitting the vote.

However, there are a lot of people who don't vote, and a lot of people who are unhappy about both parties.

Get those people to vote in democratic primaries. Green and Libertarian exist for people unhappy with both parties and they just help to split the vote and barely increase voter turnout. Republicans strategiests promote the Green party because it helps them win elections by splitting the vote.

There are Republican voters disappointed in Trump who still can't bring themselves to vote Dem because of all the propaganda they've put in their heads.

A new party won't break that propaganda, you have to break the propaganda machine. If a new party was a threat, they'd just spin up new propaganda and guess what, those people will fall in line and not vote for your new party.

A bigger problem is making it an actually big party, getting media attention, getting money to campaign with, etc. US politics runs on money. Because yet another Green or Libertarian Party won't be helping.

You clearly understand the difficulty of a new party. That's why democratic primaries are vastly easier. You need less money, you need fewer votes to win, you can operate entirely in a smaller market, you don't need national media. Once you've won, you've already eliminated a candidate you'd have to run against and won't be splitting the vote with.

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

I totally agree that primaries are far easier. Orders of magnitude. But you hold on to a lot of baggage that way. There's something attractive about a fresh start, and there are very successful independent candidates. Bernie has good reasons not to be part of the Democratic Party.

And ranked choice isn't the only thing you need; you need proportional representation in Congress. That's the only way to actually represent all Americans. It's always going to be hard to get one of the two parties in power to give up that power to share it with more parties.

But as I said, such a big third party is incredibly hard. The system is rigged against it, and the financing and media even more so. You'd have to have a very broad popular movement, more than just a party. There's nothing like that but there are candidates for primaries.

That's not going make me stop dreaming about a big third party, though.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Best I can do is calls for fundraising, canvasing and doing better next election.

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