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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 99 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Isn’t this how change happens?

But voting for who you believe in in the primaries and your preferred party in the general?

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's never worked so far, I don't see why the DNC is about to start.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (25 children)

The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates. We do. In the primaries. That’s what primaries are.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 27 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The problem isn't the "DNC" it's the Democratic establishment. That includes all their operatives in media that help keep the masses in check. The sad fact is that not enough voters pay that much attention. The vast majority of the time, the establishment gets their pick.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They don’t get their pick. The relentless retirees do, if the working class doesn’t participate in the primaries. I’ve volunteered many times over the last 25 years. The elderly come in droves. They also have very different needs than the working class.

Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout. The 2025 NYC Mayoral Democratic primary saw 30%, up from 21% in 2021. That’s all it took to make a difference.

This is something voters need to own. Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule. Research the candidates in the primary and vote.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're not wrong, but where do the retirees get their news? Most of the retirees I know are all way to manipulated by cable news, and that is nothing but 24x7 establishment propaganda.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Absolutely. They also have no need to vote in favor of minimum wage increases or any other benefits for the working class. Their biggest concern is low taxes on their retirement accounts, which is why they pick the centrist Democrat when voting in the Democratic primary.

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[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

😂😂😂 “The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates.” 🤣🤣🤣

Does anyone else remember the primary we didn’t have for the 2024 election? Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016? Or how about the fact that you can’t even run as a Democrat unless you bring them at least $1m in fundraising?

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Winning the primary =/= actually getting the support of the party apparatus behind you.

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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

in theory, yes.

in practice the DNC will protect corporate donations at all cost.

[–] darthmachina@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

For reference see Bernie Sanders.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So, now it's up to centrists who really wanted their skeevy sex pest in office to actually do what they have been preaching ever since puma pac failed to elect McCain. They need to vote blue no matter who.

They won't.

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[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 61 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

If I were forced to choose between two choices and I didn't like either, I would not consider myself living in a democracy. Democracy is pointless if you aren't able to vote for a candidate that you actually like.

The solution is reform. If your democracy is not proportional, then it is not a democracy.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Without RCV, there is no path to better candidates. There is a reason so many conservative states have been proactively banning it.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

No voting system by itself will do much. We need to switch to a proportional system or else minority parties won't have a fair shot at representation. If a party gets 2% of the vote, they should get 2% of the seats. Not possible with single-winner methods.

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are able to do that, it's the entire point of a primary.

It's not the best system, certainly, but it does mean you actually get more than 2 choices.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sort of?

A comprehensive look at voter turnout from 2000 onwards reveals that the average turnout rate for primary elections is 27% of registered voters, compared to 60.5% for general elections. It should be noted that less than half of the voters who cast a ballot in the general election participate in primaries.

https://goodparty.org/blog/article/primary-vs-general-election

All sorts of problems have solutions. I see this a lot in the tech space, like the need to save a video, Adblock, whatever.

…But generally, people don’t use them. Or know about them.

US primaries feel similar, where voters technically have the ability to choose candidates but, statistically, they don’t.

Attention is finite. Many dont know about primaries. To me, giving people the choice doesn’t matter if it’s obscure and inaccessibly designed.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Voters: refuse to vote in primary

Also Voters: "Why are the nominees so terrible?"

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Apparently some need education on what a primary is.

They were all running to “be the blue.” This is how WE pick the candidates that run for the Democratic Party. Yes. That’s right. They’re not selected by the DNC as many believe.

Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout, yet people love to complain about the career centrists. Well, this is EXACTLY how it’s done.

Mamdani won because WE SHOWED UP. Stop letting retirees with nothing but time on their hands pick our candidates and VOTE FOR PROGRESSIVES IN THE PRIMARIES.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 118 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The joke is that the NYC Dems are making the DNC eat their words with a candidate that they didn't want

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oh I totally missed that. Thanks. Too many people still ignorantly commenting about how the DNC picks all the candidates, after NYC just proved that it’s always been about us showing up, has me on the defense. My bad.

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[–] Longpork3@lemmy.nz 15 points 2 weeks ago

I think you're missing the joke here?

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I suppose we’ll see if the DNC takes the message this time.

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