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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If "harm" and "less harm" are the only two options, then the only question is how quickly you die. There's the argument that we have to do "harm reduction" in order to buy time to organize for something better, but we've been procrastinating for decades apparently. Since all of history informs us that humans act only when inaction is no longer tenable (and sometimes not even then), really the only material difference between "harm reduction" and accelerationism is, again, the timeline.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The harm or less harm are thanks to Ordinal voting.

First Past the Post is the absolute worst offender, but every single Ordinal voting system will eventually devolve into a forced choice between this or that.

Thankfully there are Cardinal voting systems. Those always boil down to the word and. For example, I can say that I support getting ice cream, and sandwiches, and a slushy, and even just finishing the route, but not going over that cliff.

My support for any given item is counted independently of my support for any other option.

To see what option wins, you just look at total support.

Different Cardinal systems have their own little quirks, but the key in all of them is that ability to give multiple items identical levels of support.

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[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah.... But also, Carlin was right saying this shit is all a stage. We've got groups of bullies picking on us, and I'd rather throw bricks than help them decide who to pick on next.

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[–] csverdad@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah fuck that. We’re throwing the cliff people off the cliff. Y’all can keep playing these stupid games.

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[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (23 children)

I just knew the comments were going to be us tearing each other apart.

I'm just thinking out loud here. What if Progressives that are registered as Democrats changed their registration to independent? Also, stop sending them your money. We could organize it to happen over one week. Then keep it that way for 30 days. See how much power we truly have. If we can show the Democratic party that they would never win another election without us, maybe they would be more likely to listen.

We have to be careful though, I know this President is running roughshod over the Constitution with the blessing of SCOTUS and Congress but they don't have enough votes or State legislatures to amend the Constitution. If they get that, then that truly is the end of this experiment.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Is voting for controlled opposition harm reduction?

Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom

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[–] MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well yeah but the one of the people who voted for ice cream downvoted a post about gaza one time so CLEARLY the entire bus sacrificing themselves just in case it might save gaza is the better option. Also there's an atomic bomb factory in a heavily populated area at the bottom of the cliff so basically the same amount of people as the entire population of gaza are going to die if this happens but protecting Gaza is more important than protecting loved ones apparently.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

i mean i've had some ice cream, i contest the validity of the last position

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago (18 children)

You would eventually "drive off a cliff" with either party, as they will softlock you into never having better choices, and the overton window will keep moving to the right. The only possibility out is to vote third party.

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[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The people who don't vote don't care when it comes down to it. its like when people call Nazis Nazis as if offends them. Or when someone calls a gay person gay... It's just like... Oh okay.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can we blast the last point with a megaphone 24/7 in people's faces or is that too much to get the point across?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are none so deaf as those who refuse to listen.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

As Mark Twain once remarked, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not understanding it."

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