AOC voted against MTG’s amendment to strip Israel funding from the Defense Appropriations Act of 2026 : usa

[–] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Magic The Gathering?

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

Marjorie taylor greene

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 6 days ago

Every time I read it as that.

[+] Semester3383@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The bill removed “offensive” weapons, but left in “defensive” weapons. The distinction is meaningless; defensive weapon systems allow Israel to continue to prosecute it’s genocide without other countries (notably Iran) being able to act against them, so it still enables genocide.

Agreed.

If she votes against the bill: AOC opposes cutting military aid to Israel!

If she votes for the bill: AOC voted to keep sending weapons to Israel!

No. There were two distinct votes at play here.

The first vote, for which she voted nay, was to amend the bill, removing the sending of weapons to Israel.
The last vote, for which she voted nay, was to pass the bill itself.

At issue here is the first vote only.

This yearly military budget bill always gets passed, without exception, which AOC knows. She knew that, in the end, the bill would get passed despite her nay vote. That being the case, why did she vote against removing military aid to Israel?

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You aren't making your case here.

It wouldn't have mattered how she voted on this bill to anyone that thinks she isn't far enough left, or left in the correct way, because that amendment wouldn't have eliminated all Israel weapons from the bill. As you know. Voted to stop sending some weapons to Israel? That's not enough, therefore she supports genocide. Didn't vote to stop sending some weapons to Israel? She supports genocide. It's 'heads I win, tails you lose'.

She knew that, in the end, the bill would get passed despite her nay vote.

Okay, she also knew that the amendment wouldn't get passed, so there's no harm in voting against it, right? You're applying two different standards of logic here. If you look at it through the lens of, "AOC wants to eliminate all military funding to Israel", then the votes are ideologically consistent; the first fails to meet the goal, so gets voted down, the second vote--the overall military appropriation--funds Israel, and so also gets voted down.

You're setting up an unfalsifiable argument, where there's no condition that would lead you to believe that she's opposed to the genocide in Palestine.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

All she had to do was what Al Green (D), Marjorie Taylor Greene (R), Summer Lee (D), Thomas Massie (R), Ilhan Omar (D), and, Rashida Tlaib (D) did: Vote yes on the amendment and no on the bill.

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

...And you expect me to believe that M-L wouldn't still be saying that she voted for an amendment to continue funding the Israeli military? That's simply not believable when she already voted against the whole bill.

[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

we're at a point where sadly even when you carefully explain it, with step by step instructions on why her vote was problematic, like you did right here, they either still act lost or still find ways to defend her vote.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 6 days ago

this is a ridiculous lie or terrible reading comprehension

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 days ago

She is not your friend nor a revolutionary. Socdems are always like this.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

AOC says she supports sending weapons to Israel. You don't have pretend otherwise.

https://lemmy.ml/post/33383345

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can you tell me which sentence in that statement clearly says, "I support sending weapons to Israel"? Or are you making a lot of inferences based on you a priori beliefs?

You're not proving your point.

Hope that helps.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Here

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

...And so it's not enough that she voted against the appropriations bill that would have entirely funded the Israel war machine, she also needed to vote for the amendment to the bill that would have cut 'offensive weapons' in a bill that she was going to vote against...? source for the bill, source for vote record

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

She wanted the Israeli weapons on the bill to pass she said that.

[–] HumanPrimate@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Ugh.

Listen to Marjorie Taylor Greene talk, and she's easily the worst of the worst. But sometimes she does something like this or speaks out against Trump, and in that respect she may actually be one of the better Republicans, which is an extremely, extremely low bar to clear.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 33 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I wonder if there were bad hidden things in the bill again? (I know most of the US congress is bought by AIPAC)

Like in the US, a bill often gets to congress that is named something like "the children are the future protections act" that provides free meals and better education for kids or something universally good, and then clause 7.1.2.5 says "all people of color are stripped of all rights and Lockheed Martin gets an extra 200 billion per year and a on-demand hit squad provided by the CIA and is immune to prosecution, and the police have the right to spy on every citizen and steal their wallets without a warrant."

Because the majority of members of US congress have admitted to not actually reading the bills.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There was nothing bad in the amendement itself.

This was not a vote on the whole bill. It was a vote to change a part of the bill and strip out funding for some free weapons to Israel. It was voted on seperately.

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I can't believe I'm agreeing with something MTG put forth.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you are agreeing, you are part of the problem. This was essentially a bill to defund the police by taking body cameras away.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Funny, that's not the reason AOC have for not voting for it.

What I was agreeing with was the idea of defending Israel, not whatever was in the bill.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago

Pretty sure her tweet said that. Taking away iron dome missile and still giving them offensive weapons doesn't help anyone.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The thing about setting fires to burn things down is that you often cant control what happens after the fire is lit.

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[–] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 week ago

600+ days into livestreamed extermination and mass starvation in Gaza and these wretched people say they care.

[–] crankyrebel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

AOC is career politician (insert add for term limits here) and as such she is tries to walk the middle line, carefully selecting her words and never goes far enough on her stance on certain issues that might get her in trouble, like her meandering support about Gaza and Israel. She is not the progressive darling we need, just the best the DNC has, and at times, that isn't saying much. We need a viable working class, progressive party that isn't afraid to fight.

She is an outspoken surrogate for President Biden, a figure many fellow socialists have condemned as a warmonger. She has also carefully calibrated her messaging around the war in Gaza, declining to take some positions that have inflamed Jewish Americans.

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