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The Sapienza computer scientists say Wi-Fi signals offer superior surveillance potential compared to cameras because they're not affected by light conditions, can penetrate walls and other obstacles, and they're more privacy-preserving than visual images.

[…] The Rome-based researchers who proposed WhoFi claim their technique makes accurate matches on the public NTU-Fi dataset up to 95.5 percent of the time when the deep neural network uses the transformer encoding architecture.

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[–] millie@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Time to start making faraday clothes.

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

With wild and crazy shape lines. Ultra futuristic fashion here we come!

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Reminds me of the Christian Bale batman movie where he could spy on everywhere from the bat cave. Seemed so far fetched it almost ruined the movie

[–] 2910000@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

No-one suspected Bruce Wayne's "free WiFi for Gotham City" initiative

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago

It was very much not even far fetched at that point. 1984 wrote about the same kind of surveillance, and at that time it would have been pretty far fetched. It was published in 1949; the video camera was only 24 years old at that point.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you can also take a picture of a person with a camera that senses light beams

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The most primitive of physics concepts, the transmission/absorption/reflection of energy, is completely unknown to most people it would seem.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know, this, and the using wifi to see through walls stuff to me just immediately seemed to fall into "don't research this, it can only be used for evil".

I don't get why we bother studying these types of things.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We study it because EVERYTHING can be used for good or evil.

If we'd stopped researching anything that could be used for evil we'd never have gotten into the stone age

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, like, why learn how to split the atom if all we can do is splode stuff. It's not like we can cure cancer or power things without emitting planet killing gasses or anything.

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Well of course the Sapienza scientists would figure this out, Agent 47 keeps killing everyone in the labs

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

95.5% accuracy is abysmal for any use case these people want to use it for

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 18 hours ago

It's not at all bad for an initial proof of concept.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what if you combine it with other types of imaging

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Dingdingding

[–] Sundiata@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

And this here folks is the true ending. No one there is going to stop it as always.

Congratulations! You are now fully fucked!

There is the draft dodger, he is located in building #52556 in this city, info updated 125 milliseconds ago. He left his phone at his house 5 states away, go get him.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Time to carry a WiFi jammer

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 70 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Why would someone research something like this? God damn, like use your life for good, homie

[–] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 11 points 2 days ago

You think if people who publish their work publicly didn't research things like this, they would just never be discovered?

At least this way, we all know about the possibility, and further research can be done to see what can mitigate it.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Everything is incremental progress in some way.

I remember years back someone doing experiments with Wi-Fi to see if a room was occupied based on signal attenuation.

This just looks like an extension of that.

Not everything is a giant leap

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well I heard about this and thought "this will be great for home automation", but I also know that someone was equally excited about using this to rob people of basic freedoms or being a fucking creep or both.

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[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I can imagine this being initially an accidental discovery like oh every time so and so’s body interacts with the WiFi signal it’s the same pattern… until someone starts exploring this further… and then some engineer or their manager started looking for applications for this. In my experience engineering researchers especially are very good with coming up with use cases for whatever tech they’re working with, with little ethical consideration.

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[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait… so the guys with tinfoil hats were on to something?

[–] Baleine@jlai.lu 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Except that the tinfoil hats don't work

[–] 2910000@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe wearing a different tinfoil hat every day would mess up a person's "fingerprint"

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

you might be onto something.

take a mylar square and place it somewhere random on your body every day.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago

Yep it has to be random to mess with the algorithm. You could have fun and cut different shapes each day.

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[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 161 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Ironically, a tin foil hat would probably work to prevent that kind of surveillance

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 62 points 3 days ago

A faraday hat.

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Incorrect bio-signature detected, drink verification can to continue your content.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 107 points 3 days ago (18 children)

I'm generally pro research, but occasionally I come across a body of research and wish I could just shut down what they're doing and rewind the clock to before that started.

There is no benefit of this for the common person. There is no end user need or product for being able to identify individuals based on their interactions with WiFi signals. The only people that benefit from this are large corporations and governments and that's from them turning it on you.

Continued research will ease widespread surveillance and mass tracking. That's not a good thing.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

First - someone comes up with this. Next, privacy researchers and black/white/grey hat techies come up with methods to defeat it.

Better for surveillance tech research like this to be published out in the open than developed in some secret lab. I figure these researchers are doing more positive than negative by publishing their findings. It's not like if they didn't publish, someone else wouldn't come up with this and possibly use it clandestinely.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 119 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Chuck vindicated. What a chicanery.

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world 81 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Great, another dystopian way for authorities to observe me on the shitter

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 31 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Your poo time has expired and your pay is docked. Flushing will cost 50 dollars for the next week. Get back to work

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

accurate matches up to 95.5% of the time

and they’re more privacy-preserving than visual images

Oh fuck all the way off.

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[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] hisao@ani.social 74 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I've seen some article recently that the patterns of Wi-Fi/Bluetooth (don't remember which one) interference with brainwaves can be scanned to reconstruct brainwave signature remotely, meaning that it might be possible to scan anyone's EEG from Wi-Fi/Bluetooth distance. And there are some AI advancements for reconstructing inner monologue from EEG. So maybe we're not so far from actual remote mind-reading.

[–] jmill@lemmy.zip 71 points 3 days ago (6 children)

A truly horrifying prospect.

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[–] GrantUsEyes@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was having a nice day :(

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