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Like the title says, I'm new to self hosting world. 😀 while I was researching, I found out that many people dissuaded me to self host email server. Just too complicated and hard to manage. What other services that you think we should just go use the currently available providers in the market and why? 🙂thank you

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[-] gpzj94@alien.top 4 points 10 months ago
[-] No-Needleworker-9890@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

Passwords:
-> You want to have immediat access to them, even if your house burns down

Notes:
-> You want to be able to read the documentation how to fix your selfhosted service, even when your selfhosted services are down

Public Reverse proxy:
-> A reverse proxy is only as safe as the applications behind. And NO, most selfhosted-applications are not hardened or had security audits
(reverse proxy with a forward authentication proxy is something different)

[-] Vogete@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

A password manager because if anything goes wrong, you'll be completely screwed.

What you SHOULD absolutely self host though is a password manager, so you can be in control of your most sensitive data.

Regarding email, I think everyone should absolutely self host it, but it's less and less viable in this google/Microsoft duopoly world. But ideally everyone would self host it. The reason why people advise against it really comes down to lack of real competition, and the two tech giants dictating how we violate every RFC possible.

[-] pogky_thunder@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

A password manager because if anything goes wrong, you'll be completely screwed.

What you SHOULD absolutely self host though is a password manager, so you can be in control of your most sensitive data.

Wot?

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

In my opinion, cloud storage for (zero knowledge) backup. Your backup strategy should include a diversity of physical locations. I had a house fire a few years ago. Luckily, my data drives survived, but if they hadn't, my cloud backup would've been invaluable.

[-] bulletproofkoala@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

Okay I understand that email hosting is bad for SENDING email , but what about only RECEIVING email , isn’t it a good idea to keep my stuff private ? I rarely send personal emails, and like to avoid my data being used for marketing purposes Is that bad to have smtp imap open on dynamic ip address ? Just asking your opinion

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[-] HTTP_404_NotFound@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

Don't host your own email server.

Just trust me.

[-] KN4MKB@alien.top 3 points 10 months ago

Meh, been doing it for 5 years now with minimal issues. Had one issue come up where my domain was flagged as malicious, but was solved in a few days and some emails to security vendors.

I think it's important that those who can, and are educated enough to keep it running properly do host their own. Hosting your own email should be encouraged if capable because it helps reduce the monopoly, and keep a little bit of power for those who want to retain email privacy.

[-] rad2018@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

I agree with KN4MKB. I've been hosting my own mail server for decades. Not one issue. I use that in lieu of a mail service provider (Google immediately comes to mind), as their EULA service agreement will tell you that - since you're using their service, on their servers - anything goes. Read the fine print on Gmail, and you'll see. 😉

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[-] Im1Random@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I did it anyway some time ago and I'm really happy with it. I'm using my own email addresses for absolutely anything by now.

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[-] shrugal@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

People saying email, look into using external SMTP servers as relays. Your domain most likely comes with at least one email account with SMTP access. You can use that as a relay to send personal/business emails from your server using the provider's reputable IP addresses.

[-] GolemancerVekk@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

Don't self-host email SMTP or public DNS. They're hard to set up properly, hard to maintain, easy to compromise and end up used in internet attacks.

Don't expose anything directly to the internet if you're not willing to constantly monitor the vulnerability announcements, update to new releases as soon as they come out, monitor the container for intrusions and shenanigans, take the risk that the constant updates will break something etc. If you must expose a service use a VPN (Tailscale is very easy to set up and use.)

Don't self-host anything with important data that takes uber-geek skills to maintain and access. Ask yourself, if you were to die suddenly, how screwed would your non-tech-savvy family be, who can't tell a Linux server from a hot plate? Would they be able to keep functioning (calendar, photos, documents etc.) without constant maintenance? Can they still retrieve their files (docs, pics) with only basic computing skills? Can they migrate somewhere else when the server runs down?

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[-] rgnissen202@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

I'd say backups. At least it shouldn't be only local. I follow the rule of threes: two local copies and one off site with backblaze. Yeah, it ties up a not insignificant amount of disk space I could use for other things, but dammit, I'm not loosing my wedding photos, important system configurations, etc.

[-] paulsmithkc@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

Primary backups

[-] timawesomeness@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Internet-accessible authoritative DNS nameserver(s) (unless you have a completely static public IP).

[-] Tivin-i@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Any public facing service that other (services) depend on should not be running on a public IP (especially ones that translate addresses, and ones you have to manually update).

You could run an authoritative NS "hidden" where only your secondary NS can reach out to for zone transfers. You could also escape having a public IP if you configure rsync or scripts to update secodary host files on every IP change.

[-] JaJe92@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Clearly opening RDP port on internet. NEVER.

[-] HashtagMOMD@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I have a load balancer on my network that has opened one port on my home network. The load balancer is connected over the cloud flare and is encrypted on both sides. Is that okay?

[-] kon_dev@alien.top 2 points 10 months ago

Why you chose to open a port, if you use cloudflare? Couldn't you use cloudflare tunnel in that case?

[-] vkapadia@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

What is wrong with that? Don't they still need correct credentials to connect?

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[-] FlockSystem@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

What do you mean by "clearly". Open RDP without password protection?

I often use RDP to access my desktop Windows 10.

[-] one-joule@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The password isn't enough. It's not a hardened protocol and vulnerabilities are found in it with some regularity. There have been unauthenticated RCEs before, ie nightmare scenario.

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[-] Accomplished-Lack721@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The login page to your NAS.

[-] Cart0gan@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Not really an option when I'm providing file hosting services to a bunch of my friends.

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[-] xerker@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Aside from other stuff mentioned here about email. I always assumed I'd become a target for spam that I'd have a harder time filtering out to the point it stops being worth it to have a custom email address.

That and I can almost guarantee I would end up screwing up the backup of my inbox and losing everything rending the whole endeavour pointless.

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[-] therealsimontemplar@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I’ve seen far too many compromised Wordpress installations to ever consider installing it in my home dmz.

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[-] ProbablePenguin@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

My benchmark is kinda "how annoying or disruptive would it be if it broke and I didn't feel like fixing it for a few days"

So email for example, I could selfhost, but I'd rather just have someone else do it so I don't have to worry about it.

[-] random74639@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[-] miteycasey@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[-] Diligent_Ad_9060@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Some generic purpose LLM probably.

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[-] JoeB-@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Choosing a service to NOT selfhost is a subjective descision.

I host 18 Proxmox VMs and 20 Docker containers at home. I also was selfhosting a WebDAV server for synchronizing my Joplin notes between devices and Vaultwarden for managing my Bitwarden vault, but decided to push the Joplin synchronization target to Dropbox [free] and to use Bitwarden's free cloud solution for my passwords and secure notes. I did this because I will need immediate access to these two critical sources of information should my house burn down, or get blown over by a tornado. I have extremely strong passcodes for these and trust the hosts.

This was strictly a personal decision. YMMV.

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[-] dgibbons0@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Personally I don't think it's worth hosting recursive dns resolvers. Most of the options with ad blocking are single points of failure and when it breaks the household acceptance factor is just too low.

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[-] roboticfoxdeer@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Email. It sounds good on paper until you realize basically every email service on earth either marks you as spam or blocks you completely

[-] Sensitive-Farmer7084@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I think there's a hangup on the term "self-host" where some people are assuming it's going to be exposed to the Internet.

I self-host a ton of stuff that is only available inside my home network or through my VPN, which is not publicly discoverable. I would never open a TCP port to the world from my home network. That's how you end up on shodan.

So yeah, if it has to accept inbound connections from arbitrary other systems on the dirty internet (email, mastodon, etc), it's not happening on my network, and probably not at all because it's a pain in the ass to stay patched.

[-] RedFive1976@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Mail server or anything using RDP.

[-] bbyboi@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[-] Server22@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Email. I always recommend AWS SES. Use it at as an SMTP relay and any internal services gets restricted access through IAM.

[-] ProfessionalAd3026@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
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[-] borg286@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Push notifications.

It is fine hosting a service that gets requests then talks to FCM or the iOS version. But a service that one's phone stays connected to 24/7 is really hard, and not kill one's battery.

[-] r4nchy@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[-] HecateRaven@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I'm doing it on a bm I rent for 10 years now without issues with spf, dmarc, dkim and everything from scratch (no docker bloat)

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[-] Carilion@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago
[-] audero@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Password manager. While some may cache on your client devices, by and large if your server goes down, no passwords.

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Vaultwarden with SyncThing is a robust combo from what I hear. Everything is local.

[-] Cart0gan@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Not necesarily. If you self host SyncThing and use it to synchronise your password database across devices (for example KeePassXC's .kdbx file) only the synchronisation goes down with your server.

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[-] Kila_Bite@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Plex. Despite everything be supposedly self hosted, they are spying on what you're watching and sharing that info with 3rd parties, your friends and your family.

Use Kodi instead or if you're old school like me, an old fashioned smb share running on a pi.

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[-] zfa@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I don't self host anything where it would impact me unduly if it went down while I was on holiday to the point where I'd have to break state and go fix stuff.

I don't want to have to leave my beer or beach and head off to fix things like an email server, restore a password manager db etc. so anything like that which is critical to the point where an outage would prob have me do so means I pay someone else.

[-] AdmiralPoopyDiaper@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

That’s an underrated razor. Not the whole decision tree for me, but a huge part of it.

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