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U.S. to send widely banned cluster munitions to Ukraine (www.axios.com)

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[-] FranklinsBeard@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

In this context I think it's fine. Russia has already been using cluster munitions on Ukrainians and I doubt the AFU will be as careless and cold in their use as the Ruzzians. Unexploded ordinance is a genuine concern, but the lands being fought for are already so heavily mined its almost a moot point. Just my 2¢

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Not just that. The amount of minefields that Russia put is astonishingly large and one of the main reasons of why offensive is slow. The main objection of cluster munition is that some of it does not explode and becomes essentially a mine. But it is just a small addition to the existing mine fields, so...

[-] laivindil@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Use the cluster bombs on the mine fields, win win.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I'd obvious prefer cluster munitions not be used at all, but thanks to Russia that cat is already out of the bag and whether or not Ukraine starts using them they're already going to have a big UXO cleanup to deal with when this is over, and since it's their country I imagine they'll probably be a bit more judicious in their use and it's kind of their call to make if they want that on their plate.

If they start making moves on Russian soil with them, that's a little murkier ethically. There's definitely an element of "turnabout is fair play" involved but I wouldn't exactly have the warm-fuzzies about it.

[-] Uni@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 1 year ago

Russia also sends widely banned cluster munitions to Ukraine.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

US, Russia and Ukraine did not sign Convention on Cluster Munitions.

[-] Puppy@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's crazy to me that we are talking about a counter-offensive. Last year we weren't even talking about a defense at all. Way too go, Ukrainians. Give 'em hell and send back these bastards at home once and for all.

Slava ukraini 🇺🇦

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Ukraine now has more tanks than Russia (in Ukraine). And they are better too. I hope that some time in future the same can be said about artilery and aviation.

[-] m3adow@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Ukraine now has more tanks than Russia (in Ukraine)

Do you have a source on that? All I saw was a Tweet which took combat-ready tanks on invasion day and seemingly ignored the many tanks which could've been combat-readied in the last year.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-05/shift-in-balance-of-arms-in-ukraine-underscored-by-fresh-data

[-] m3adow@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Great, thanks a lot.

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