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I've not checked the legitimacy of the photo, but the premise is important to note

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is a picture from Afghanistan before 1970:

Lord that's depressing

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 4 points 6 days ago

You don't need Iran to prove that. Women's rights have already been rolled back in the US, it's a mistake to assume it will stop here.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Also the Seven Mountain Dominion founding members saw Iran as a goal, but the islam replaced with christianity.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 127 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When Margaret Atwood wrote the Handmaids Tale she made sure not to include anything that hadn't actually happened in recorded history. A lot of plot points were taken from this situation.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wow. I didn’t know that.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I can't find the interview where she speaks in depth about Iran, it was important for the novel because it was a situation where women experienced going from modern equality to having absolutely no rights.

In this interview she briefly mentions Ayatollah Khomeini (the leader of the Iranian Revolution that created a theocracy and removed women's rights), but she's going over dozens of newspaper clippings of other events that inspired the story.

https://www.penguin.co.uk/discover/articles/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-testaments-real-life-inspiration

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

I am from Iran. whatever point you want to make about Iran with Pahlavi dictatorship, this aint it.

the parliament in Pahlavi era was literary just rubber stamp the king orders.

when shah (king) came back with help of CIA it reversed all the mashroote (conditional monarchy) progress and became a absolute dictatorship.

Iranian women condition are way better now than under Pahlavi (outside of dress code laws).

sorry to hear about trump fucking up your rights.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is a "hijab = oppression" idea in here. People were bullying eastern women living in US for wearing hijab at some point.

"Womens' rights is when we force them to dress western."

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

Which is funny given that in 10 more years well all be dressing like the Bedouin due to climate change.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Worth pointing out, these photos you see of women in pre-revolutionary Iran are a very tiny percentage of urban, professional, women of the ruling class at the time. These photos are not universally representative of women's lives in Iran in that period

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah exactly. If there was no fertile ground for religious conservatism an Islamic theocracy would have never been able to form in Iran.

People do this with Afghanistan too they show those photos of the elite urbanites and pretend like the country was somehow a progressive haven in the desert. But in reality 99% of the people lived in rural communities in poverty where religion dictated their lives. They knew very well that the elites in the cities were oppressing them. It wasn’t hard for the Taliban to rally support for their fight against the elites and Western influence.

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Or, you know, getting stoned in public, or never having equal rights in cases of rape or infidelity.

Not saying it was better under Pahlavi, but it certainly is not equal now.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 week ago

From 1979, it took 4 years.

[–] hushable@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

In my country there's a guy running for president who wants to revoke women's right to vote. He is not super popular in the pools, but for some mad reason both my sisters support him.

edit: I'm keeping the typo

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What is the mad reasoning? I'm curious.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (6 children)

because the united snake and the British destroyed it's democracy

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[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Don't forget that August 28th is women's equality day, the day that the nineteenth amendment was certified, giving women the right to vote.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Considering people don't turn out to vote anyways; they should move it to October 28th to remind people that it wasn't until 1974 women were allowed to get bank accounts without their husband/father thanks to the Equal Credit Opportunity Act.

I'd like to see how many women who say they're fine losing their right to vote would also be okay with not having their own bank account.

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ok, but does anybody really think that women's rights can't get rolled back under a religious autocracy?

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[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Religious doctrination is the strongest influence towards radical acceptance of certain principles. Too bad if God was real he would hate you pieces of shits.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you heard of a place called Senegal? They didn't even need fundamentalist psychopaths. They just had the IMF rewrite their laws after a bad loan and now women carry buckets of water on their heads for miles instead of attending university. (Haven't read up on it in 20 years, could be out of date)

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