I've not checked the legitimacy of the photo, but the premise is important to note
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I am from Iran. whatever point you want to make about Iran with Pahlavi dictatorship, this aint it.
the parliament in Pahlavi era was literary just rubber stamp the king orders.
when shah (king) came back with help of CIA it reversed all the mashroote (conditional monarchy) progress and became a absolute dictatorship.
Iranian women condition are way better now than under Pahlavi (outside of dress code laws).
sorry to hear about trump fucking up your rights.
There is a "hijab = oppression" idea in here. People were bullying eastern women living in US for wearing hijab at some point.
"Womens' rights is when we force them to dress western."
Which is funny given that in 10 more years well all be dressing like the Bedouin due to climate change.
Mosaddegh just rubber stamped whatever the Shah wanted in your opinion?
wow. a history buff you are not.
mosadegh came to power as a prime minister after mashroote (conditional and limited king) ,he nationalized the iranian oil and UK got but hurt so they asked CIA to overthrow him in a Coup d'état.
btw that was the first time in history of the CIA terrorist org that they did regime change.
after that even a little independent parliament was not tolerated by shah and it was complete sham after it. he became a complete tyrant and created one of the worst dictatorships ever.
I was gonna say that the current goverment is not even close to that level but that would be an insult to the islamis republic (even with its retardedness). even saudi dictatorship is heaven compared to shah.
you can read the books that shah's own men wrote about this after the ran outside of iran.
please be more informed in the basic of an issue and not be fox news level "expert"
You may know some facts but you'll never be able to convince people because you're an insulting git.
you are mostly right. that is one of my flaws.
I wish your reading comprehension was as good as your ad hominems.
Maybe give Mossadegh more than a sentence in a wall of text next time?
I thought I was proving a point that mossadegh was before that sham parliment so your point about him rubber stamping order was meaningless.
now I see that I was not respectful enough when speaking about him and I should have written a poem about him, maybe?
if you don't even know the order of historical events that happened , then please don't insult me about my "reading comprehension".
have a nice day. I am done replying to these kind of posts.
Or you keep doubling down on being ignorant.
Do you really think OPs foto is from the 70ties, Mr. history professor?
Do you really think the overthrow of the Mossadegh government is irrelevant to both the point OP is trying to make or the implied overall picture?
At this point Occam’s Razor points to you being disingenuous rather than ignorant TBH.
OP point is retarded. they show women in miniskirt and then say wow before 1979 women where so "free".
if you see syria and watch the propaganda and then literal theorists( recognized by the west too) there whitewashed by the west to get a tyrannical but subservient to west goverment there that can beat women and ban all alcohol and all those "freedoms" that had under bashar and you still think this retarded post are not propaganda I have no furthur point to make to you.
go watch fox news. it is better for you.
if it was not clear enough, let me say it: the OP post is retarded propaganda. and Israel level of propaganda at that.
have a nice day.
This may blow your mind but there’s other countries than the US. It’s crazy that I have to point this out on a post about Iran no less.
No, OP is misinformed. The only (inept) propagandist here is you.
You failed to address any point whatever by anyone in this post and are incapable of anything but being insulting. Cool achievement slow clap
I didn't mean you are american. I was making a point about level of history knowledge (fox news level)
I shoudl have been more clear that I meant that those post started as propaganda to whitewash pahlavi regime. but yes, OP is misinformed and just repeat those porpaganda post unknowingly.
I have no idea what you mean by that. I am trying to do what exactly? what is the propaganda part I am saying?
Worth pointing out, these photos you see of women in pre-revolutionary Iran are a very tiny percentage of urban, professional, women of the ruling class at the time. These photos are not universally representative of women's lives in Iran in that period
Yeah exactly. If there was no fertile ground for religious conservatism an Islamic theocracy would have never been able to form in Iran.
People do this with Afghanistan too they show those photos of the elite urbanites and pretend like the country was somehow a progressive haven in the desert. But in reality 99% of the people lived in rural communities in poverty where religion dictated their lives. They knew very well that the elites in the cities were oppressing them. It wasn’t hard for the Taliban to rally support for their fight against the elites and Western influence.
Excellent point. You could say the same thing about places like Dubai and Saudi Arabia.
And some rural places in America.
Society does the oppression before the government does. Anywhere religion is used to oppress women's rights.
Or, you know, getting stoned in public, or never having equal rights in cases of rape or infidelity.
Not saying it was better under Pahlavi, but it certainly is not equal now.
in my whole life living in iran the only stoning I saw was on a American drama movie about stoning a woman in Iran.
"equal rights in cases of rape" ?? what? you know Iran has one of the harshest punishment for rape which unfortunately they only define as rape of women (not men). so maybe you are a mens' rights activist in iran??
And because you personally never saw a stoning, you believe that they never happened?
That film was based on a book. The book was based on events that actually happened. Just a quick cursory search finds many other cases, here's an old incomplete list: https://mehr.org/stoning_list.htm
Yes. Go ahead. Explain what's the norm over there to the people who live there.
never said never happened.
It's estimated stoning isn't used that much ( if at all anymore), but there's an interesting inequality about it too
Overall death penalty seems to be really popular in Iran, estimated to be the biggest death penalty country per capita. And no wonder when you look at the offenses that merit death penalty
I am one of those that are for death penalty for some crimes.
most of what of the list you provided are not official. some of them are true and I agree with them and some of them are true and I disagree with them.
absolute majority of the death penalty in iran is for drug smuggling (not using).
when USA invaded afganistan the heroine trade boomed and wrecked a lot of families in Iran.
so the penalty is justified in the eyes of most iranians.
It does have a breakdown of some type in the article
so for example in 2022 49% for murder. this is death penalty for murder. which most countries used to have (and many still do). and in Iran (and maybe other muslim countries) there is the ghasas, which is death penalty for murder that the family of victim that request. it is not for other killing, like if you kill someone in an accident (car accident).
44% for dug crimes. it means drug smuggler (not user) which unfortunately because of Iran neighboring Afghanistan (a major drug producer) there are a lot of them.
this pressure on Iran for because of "Muh human rights" for death penalty is mostly using this number to say Iranian government is killing dissidents, which in my opinion is mostly bullshit.
this pressure even made many ordinary Iranians mad because the drug destination is mostly for EU and many Iranian border guards and police die in clashes with drug smugglers. this anger was to an extent that there was a call for government that next time EU harrased about this death penalties, Iran should just open its border and let the drug flow to EU.
I'm not a fan of death penalty in general. And having even the possibility of death penalty for stuff such as homosexuality or dissidence is fucked up as hell, dude.
Amnesty also has this sort of things to say
I am not saying the government is a saint. I am saying a lot of this is propaganda.
I saw a "dissident" that got death penalty and its supporters would show a picture of her just sitting beside fire and saying she was just a "social worker" then later the original picture with her holding a rifle and pictures of her training with terrorist groups came out.
the ironic part is one of the woman u named "Pakhshan Azizi" was/is hailed as "Kurdish-Iranian human rights activist". you can even just search her name but you have to do it in english and see a sea of website bemoaining a "human rights activist". with these picture:
but if you search her name in persian "پخشان عزیزی" you get these pictures too:
she is a member of terrorist group "پژآک"
I don't need to love my goverment to see when most of those who say "human rights in Iran" are funded by who.
if any one these people did one tenth of the stuff they did iran, in eu or uk or usa, they would not even get to a court. they would be gunned down.
I am against alot of dress code law or marriage laws in my country but the judiciary is in my opinion too soft on terrorist supporters in iran.
Another example: the right side is a post from "iran internatinal" that is a propaganda network that was funded by saudies but then bought out by jweish isis (israel). the left side is the original picture.
Good thing propaganda doesn't work on you, you might have some pretty weird ideas
Propaganda works on everyone. Especially those who think it does not.
Even if it doesn't work on an individual, which there are ways to navigate it, it changes the discourse around the subject so much that the discourse itself has to be navigated as a politicized material condition. Campism, third positionism, apathy and disengagement are all effects of propaganda that individuals can't do much about regardless of how resilient, critical, or educated one is.
The best defense against propaganda is getting organized, having practical discussions and doing work that centers people who are the subjects of propaganda. And then, having political debates and making decisions democratically.
So I was being sarcastic but I appreciate your clarity and directness.
My state in the US kept a brain dead woman alive to use her as an incubator. Glass houses and all.
Even the rubber stamp parliament of the Shah had less women. Ffs, women gained the right to vote only in 1967! And there are currently 17 women in the Iranian parliament. Abysmal, but still far ahead of the era in the picture. That's not even mentioning the extremely low levels of education among women pre-revolution. Don't fall for this kind of propaganda, there's more to women's rights than getting to wear mini skirts as an urban elite. Women are still fighting for equal rights in Iran, and they are still far from reaching that goal. But don't think that they haven't made progress since the time of the picture.
Uh huh.
How about you just stop defenfing the regimd if beatings and burhkas?
Seriously. Women's rights were improving and evolving until the revelution, getting better by leaps and bounds
But yknow power hungry politicians use the guise of if religion to rule, control and destroy.
But go ahead. Tell me how great it is now. I wtched these events unfold. Most in this thread weren't even alive then.
And yep it wathe pro usa crew that backed the revelution. Thst doesn't affect what was happening in eonebs rights. The zealots were pissed about that and wanted if stopped. They stopped it.
So stop with the thinly veiled Iranian regime support.
How about you work on your reading comprehension? Oh you were there, with the 'burkhas'?! Anyone who knows anything about Iran knows that burkhas are not a common thing in Iran, so how about you cut the crap? So the rights of women were 'evolving' by 'leaps and bounds' huh? Does that include the 37% literacy rate for women at the time of the revolution? Improvement by leaps and bounds better describes the current close to 90% rate I'd say, or perhaps the 60% of college graduates being women. Again how about you tell us where women had more rights before the revolution other than the right to show more skin? I'm all for anyone wearing anything they like, but you equate a western dress code to progress it seems. It doesn't matter if they can read or write it seems, as long as you get to see more skin.
I clearly wrote that women are fighting for their rights and are far from reaching that goal. You interpreting that as 'thinly veiled support' for the regime just exposes your thinly veiled royalist sentiment. Maybe you should ask yourself why in 2025 you are still clamoring for the return of a king? If that's the 'progress' you speak of, most people in Iran would reject it wholeheartedly.
You need to do two things
Stop drinking so much coffee
Learn to read.
Some free advice. STOP fighting people who aren't repsonsible ( meaning the average Joe), that gets you no where.
I won't be responding. Feel free to have the last word.
Not relevant to politics, but: I've been watching Youtube videos from Iran on the food, and holy crap does abgoosh/dizi (sp?) look incredible. I bought some dried whole limes to try making it myself but haven't gotten around to it yet.
But what about during shah and early on during ayatollah? Those times seem better for a comparison than late 70's to now