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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I can literally open up the development console and manually click an ad, and delete it. Am I now hacking and sabotaging a protected program?

WTF is this for nonsense, what mental gymnastics....?

[–] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago

I just increased the font size on their website. By "their logic, I should be sued as well :D

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[–] Hauntology95@lemmy.ml 86 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I wonder why all these totally unrelated things in the world are going to shit? Maybe theres a common thread

[–] AbeilleVegane@beehaw.org 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Hauntology95@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

People still look at me like I’m some sort of conspiracy theorist when I say that it’s all connected back to capitalism

[–] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A friend of mine recently called me more brainwashed than anyone for questioning capitalism and said how can I question a system that gives me bread and butter.

When I tried to point out that the system does not give me food by the goodness of it's heart but rather extracts something out of me in return, he pointed out that Milton Friedman was a staunch supporter of capitalism and there is no way I can know more than him.

But the truth is, the world is crumbling. And I had rather believe what is unfolding before my own eyes than an economics textbook from 1970s (not to mention, that unlike say math economics isn't that objective a field. Just like he purported a free market supporting Economist, I too can forward names of folks who support the opposite POV).

The day folks stop seeing themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires would be awakening.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago

Milton Friedman was a staunch supporter of capitalism and there is no way I can know more than him.

Einstein supported socialism. You think you're smarter than Einstein???

[–] pirat@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is there any hope of asking when the most prosperous period of the USA was and what economic policies were used to create those conditions? Keynesian policies during the new deal - which are a tad different from MF's.

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[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most people are just in denial. The left has been calling out capitalism as the problem for over a century

There was just a decent period in the middle there for the west that put a lot of people into complacency, but finally we're starting to approach the logical conclusions of capitalism again, and it's all coming crashing down

Unfortunately I strongly believe that things are going to get much worse before they get better. I think the vast majority will need to be shocked into action

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[–] romanticremedy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah as if things happening in US isn't chaotic enough. I wonder if that send signal to the world that it's okay to be suppress all rights suddenly

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[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

This is grounded in the assertion that a website’s HTML/CSS is a protected computer program that an ad blocker intervenes in the in-memory execution structures (DOM, CSSOM, rendering tree), this constituting unlawful reproduction and modification.

This is ridiculous... the in-memory structures are highly browser dependent, the browser is the one controlling how the DOM is represented in memory.. it would imply that opening the website AT ALL in a different version of the exact specific one they target or with a different set of specific features/settings would also be a violation, since the memory structure would likely be different too.

At that point, they might as well just ask for their website to not be visited at all.

[–] chillhelm@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

By that same logic I could claim that SHOWING me an ad by circumventing my ad blocker is interfering with the in memory execution of my ad blocker. Wtf.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 3 days ago

or mandate which program can be used to access the page.

like an app.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is grounded in the assertion that a website’s HTML/CSS is a protected computer program that an ad blocker intervenes in the in-memory execution structures (DOM, CSSOM, rendering tree), this constituting unlawful reproduction and modification.

This would also ban Dark Mode features and extensions.

[–] Tiger_Man_@szmer.info 5 points 2 days ago

This would ban most of computing tbh

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 82 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The case stems from online media company Axel Springer’s lawsuit against Eyeo - the maker of the popular Adblock Plus browser extension.

Axel Springer says that ad blockers threaten its revenue generation model and frames website execution inside web browsers as a copyright violation.

FYI, Axel Springer is a company and owns Business Insider (since 2015), Politico, and Politico Europe (since 2021). They suck.

Gudrun Kruip, a scholar associated with the Stiftung Bundespräsident-Theodor-Heuss-Haus, has claimed that Axel Springer SE, along with its subsidiaries, exhibits a pro-American stance, often omitting criticism of US foreign policy.[58] This observation is then backed by allegations made by two former CIA officers in an interview with The Nation, claiming that Axel Springer received $7 million from the CIA.[59] The purpose of this funding, they allege, was to influence the publisher to align its editorial content with American geopolitical interests.[59]

As of 2001, the Axel Springer SE names "solidarity with the libertarian values of the United States of America" as one of its core principles on its website.[60] This explicit stance has led to critiques from scholars and independent observers regarding the company's perceived alignment with American interests.[58][61][62][63][64] Furthermore, an article in Foreign Policy has critiqued Axel Springer SE for a history of compromising journalistic ethics to support right-wing causes, implying a longstanding pattern of bias in its publications.[65]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_SE#Criticism

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Fun fact: they've also been founded with CIA money.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

I bet the CIA would love to force everyone visiting a website to run their code

Also this lawsuit has been ongoing for at least a decade iirc. Springer has been trying real hard.

[–] passepartout@feddit.org 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Seems like you forgot the Bild Zeitung, the worst piece of media out there (comparable to the Sun I've heard):

It is the best-selling European newspaper and has the sixteenth-largest circulation worldwide. Bild has been described as "notorious for its mix of gossip, inflammatory language, and sensationalism" and as having a huge influence on German politicians.

They also bought a lot of other services, see this list, seems like it's not maintained anymore but still.

Let's also not forget the time that Mathias Döpfner stole the German election in 2021 so that the FDP could screw over the coalition, see here:

Zwei Tage vor der Bundestagswahl soll er Reichelt gedrängt haben: "Please Stärke die FDP. Wenn die sehr stark sind, können sie in Ampel so autoritär auftreten, dass die platzt und dann Jamaika funktioniert."

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Axel Springer company is even worse, their CEO said a year ago that all east-germans are either fascist or communist and that their opinions are to be dismissed, basically stating us as second-class-citizen. He owns the most fakenews spewing tabloids in Germany, BILD and WELT If you want to pinpoint one person where hate and fakenews come from in central europe, Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Axel Springer SE, is the culprit.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Black mirror 15 Million Merits

And this....

...in a nutshell is US patent US8246454B2. Sony owns the rights since 2009 but has not implemented it. When the permit expires in 2030, it will basically be open for other companies to use

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

2030? That's AGES awa- oh

[–] that_leaflet@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

I can't understand this logic.

Assume as stated that a website is a copyrighted and protected. Sure, that means I can't redistribute it to others without permission or a license. But I can't see how me locally, privately modifying the site would be against the law. Should Crayola be sued because their crayons can be used to modify a copyrighted art piece? Is it illegal for me to watch a movie with a blue-light filter on because it modifies how the content is displayed?

Edit: After further thought, a stronger argument would be that it's illegal (in some places) to bypass DRM protections. That's because if I break DRM of some media (say, of a rented DVD) so that I can keep it forever, that would technically be illegal even if I never shared it with anybody else. So if a site tries to break ad blockers but an ad blocker works around that, that would be "breaking" DRM, therefore illegal. But I still find that to be an lacking argument.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 11 points 3 days ago

I have DRM on my network, I manage my digital rights with an ad blocker. If you try and circumvent my digital right can I sue?

[–] Evono@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Issue is our government and justical system is stuck in many areas between 1980-1995.

God knows what logic they had for that

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Using their logic, accessibility tools also violate copyright.

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[–] officermike@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If Germany bans ad blockers and a German citizen or company becomes victim to a malicious advertisement, do they have a case against the German government or by extension Axel Springer?

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 20 points 3 days ago

What are you thinking?? Against the capital owners?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 50 points 3 days ago

It's my computer.

Fuck you.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Time to outright disable Javascript in my browsers and just deal with the broken sites and generally less useful web.

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[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

"The EU recognizes the right of users to choose what content they receive, including the ability to block unwanted advertising."

what happened to our privacy rights? Are they being dismantled in order for giant tech companies to take a foothold in controlling the masses? I mean that's what we get when we elect a self-proclaimed "transatlantist" chancellor. Fuck Merz and his blackrock cronies

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is it illegal for me to fast forward the previews at the beginning of my VHS too? WTF?

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

LOL they WANTED it to be!!

[–] dizzy@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Yep and they made it that way on a lot of DVDs!

[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 days ago

Internet advertising, spreading malware since the 90s. Barely do anything to hold digital advertisement networks accountable for what they distribute, not even copyright/fraudulent website cloning for servicing malware, but always ready to crack down on people trying to browse the internet more securely and always ready to make more money for the rich

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Europe went from leader of internet freedom to ~~Stasi police~~ Gestapo in a few months.

Guess there's a top down policy to implement Fascism across Europe soon, judging by the speed at which Europe is passing dracnonic internet control.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Its a preparation for war with russia. If journalism and free flow of information keeps existing, its hard to explain to people they should support such madness, so its time to silence everyone

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 days ago

yes, beacon of democracy for europe right there.

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

If that lawsuit is successful then I’ll be next in line suing security camera companies for disrupting my breaking and entering business.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago

What better way to let the people know whose interests the regime really represents.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

Honestly, ban advertising entirely. It shits in your brain and slowly ruins everything. Even perfectly profitable businesses go - what if we made all the money, and fucked our customers' eyeballs?

[–] Nach@midwest.social 13 points 3 days ago

Run a DNS ad blocker like pihole or Adguard.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Mozilla guy saying there's a risk, but i dont really see it, myself.

Firstly, does copyright really prevent modification for personal use? I dont think it does.

Secondly, you're not so much modifying the content as not consuming part of it. I think thats an important distinction for the court to grapple with.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Logic and reason never stopped monied forces from twisting the letter and spirit of the law to suit their own desires.

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[–] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Oh boy, those scam centers are going to make the big buck if this really happens.

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