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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 45 points 12 hours ago

This isn't a peace proposal, it's surrender terms. Keep fighting until Putin's on his knees, Ukraine.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 30 points 12 hours ago

So Putin's terms are to be completely vulnerable to a future Russian invasion once they re-up their troops and hardware?

Never trust a Russian. Or a conservative.

[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 32 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

So basically the same thing they've been asking for for the last two years. Biggest difference now is that Russia's military and economy are so damaged that it'll be much longer before they next break the peace treaty.

Sounds like the better option is just to offer proper support to Ukranie and wait for Russia to colapse, so there won't be a next time.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

wait for Russia to colapse

Appearances aside, I think it's already started. Their demographics, economy, industry and materials show a downward spiral. Though in part also true for some other countries, it's this combination that makes it more catastrophic.

Trees before dying, do have a last great blossoming. Maybe we see some of that.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

no matter who gets the territory, ukraine has won in the long term

or rather, everyone loses i guess

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Basically a repeat of 2014 after Russia took ~~Ukraine~~ Crimea and 8 years later they wanted more and there was nothing to stop them but the Ukrainian pushback (which, honestly, kudos for holding out this long).

So what's going to happen in 2030?

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 7 points 11 hours ago

It's not that exclusive, it's just the same as before. Although usually Putin also mentions something bout a regime change in Ukraine too.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Resistance till the end

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

I don't think anyone sane person cares how Russia negotiates. They try to regain their imperialistic dreams on their road to perdition, whilst destroying what they had left.