Did any real people get shot?
this post was submitted on 24 Aug 2025
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99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
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Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
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Even if these guys were actually ICE agents and were killed, odds are the feds would just deny it and keep moving forward. But the way I know they weren't is just because there were only 2 of them and the homeowner wasn't shot and killed by other ICE agents.
They have so much money and people, they probably won't even notice these two missing.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
Not yet. ICE does in a way, but not police… yet.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
It wasn't even like he preemptively shot at them first. They tried to shoot down the door.
If warrantless masked men come to your door, even claiming to be cops or ICE, far as I'm concerned they're fair game. I better see blue lights out front and in no case am I opening the door.
Call the cops right off the bat. Case after case after case demonstrates that he who calls 911 first wins. A mugger can approach you, you pull a gun, gets run off and calls 911 first? You got some splainin' to do Lucy. CALL 911 FIRST.
STFU and grab your weapon. Don't yell or threaten, don't say a word. Prepare to fight and STFU until the cops come. Anything you say in the lead up can be used against you. STFU.
I have a gun within reach anywhere I stand in my house. Sound fruity? Meh, maybe. I got that way after a bear wandered in the dog door. In no case is ICE coming in this house to drag my wife off without a fight. Will I die? Most likely. But they're not getting a free pass.
Thanks for letting me know that I can rob you if I just flash some blue lights
Missed a bit there hombre!
and in no case am I opening the door
Every day, I wake up happy I don't live in the USA. I have to think about none of this. I hope it stays that way.
Yeah, I feel more and more like I won the jackpot being born in Sweden...
Yeah I'm just hoping people learn from the US example but I'm afraid too many people don't have the political analysis to connect the dots between a rightward shift in politics and fascism as its natural conclusion.
My kids 10 and I tell him often to get out when he's old enough, I'll help fund his move to Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, don't give a fuck. Go explore and decide away from this place.
Aside from the grenade murdering.
Be vigilant. I was born in 1971 and never imagined today's America.
As an embarrassed "American" (whatever that means anymore) I fully agree, take me from this place.
Where do you live? Seriosly, I live in Europe, never been in USA and reading stuff like this I will never ever go in a country where anybody could have a gun. Sometime I forgot to lock my appartment at night, don't own a gun. Simple life. There are thieves but most of the time they don't have a weapon, maybe a knife.
Uh, europeans have guns too.
Thinking about moving to the Philippines and telling my wife it would be a bummer to never get to shoot again. She looked at me like I grew a second head. LOL, she has a relative that owns a gun store and Filipinos are simply mad for 1911s. Who knew?
Americans don't have a gun problem. American's have a culture problem.
A Fillipino made 1911 is my overt fav. Inexpensive and fabulously well made. I knew. ;)
NW Florida, America. No, not everyone can have a gun, and not as many people are armed as you might think. Bear in mind, unusual events get reported, because they are unusual. There are 340,000,000 souls here. It's a big-assed country, weird shit happens.
And yes, I used to leave my house unlocked all the time. The only reason I started locking up was to keep anyone from stealing my guns. (After the "bear incident".) How's that for irony?
None the less, I had felt safe leaving my door unlocked, and usually did, but now, with the current political situation and having a brown immigrant wife ...🤷🏻 Doors locked, 12-gauge leaning on the desk, AR-15 resting on the nightstand. But I'm damned thankful to be armed and practiced. Fucking nuts! I never imagined.
Anyway, I've been in many situations, both in the wild and on the street, mostly in the wild, where I was glad to be armed. Having said that, I've led a life that's a bit more... adventurous, than most Americans. Please do not take my anecdotes to be typical of American life. And please don't take our media reports to be typical.
As a very quick amendment to what you have to say, call 911first IF YOU ARE SAFE TO DO SO. Under most circumstances, yeah, you can do that first. Just make sure you or someone else are not in ACTIVE AND IMMEDIATE danger before you call 911
Thank you. I should have said grab your weapon and unsafe it first, then call 911. Can you believe we're having this fucking discussion!?!
Well, yeah, this is always a good thing to remind people. Its not taught enough, honestly.
"[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
Note to self: make sure to have easily available lights flashing if you're going to do a home invasion.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
What a load of shit. SWAT goddamn will wear ski masks.
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If swats coming, you're gonna know it. There is no mistaking that IF your even see them before your door blows off it's hinges.
The problem with the rule of law is that everyone has to be accountable and believe that the law is on their side. Friends, neighbours, strangers, police, politicians etc all are expected to do the right thing. When those in authority don’t the whole thing breaks down. In this case the 2 perps probably had observed how ICE gets around and emulated the behaviour. Lucky the homeowner was using an earlier version of lawful behaviour as a guide.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
Police said the two men were wearing bulletproof vests and had some sort of badge around their necks.
Those bulletproof vests don't seem to have been of much use....
They generally aren't against rifle fire. Don't know what the man used, but an AR-15 round is tiny, basically .22 caliber, and fast, 3,400FPS or so. 12-gauge shotshell will knock the living shit out of someone, even if armored. And so will a Colt .45. :)
A bullet proof vest is more of a bullet resistant vest if it doesn't have strike plates, and even then common rifles can penetrate at close range.
Oh no how unfortunate.
Þat þey weren't real cops?
If you have a door cam, never answer the door unless you know the person.
Use sense, cops wear body armor and show up in numbers for a warrant, obviously armed, and not in street clothes in one car that isn't an American brand. If they try to kick down the door, shoot through the door until you know you fucked up. If they use a battering ram, don't make the situation worse and hope for a fat payout through the courts if you aren't up to some shit.
Story says "some sort of badge around their necks". So we're they impersonating cops?