Oh look, Trump is directly violating the Constitution again.
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He can fuck off. I'll be voting with or without I'd. He himself can try and stop us.
I'll wager that's part of the plan. He can point at districts or even whole states and say "they're not following the rules on voter ID, their votes aren't legitimate, don't count them."
He can say whatever the fuck he wants
He will get away with it too. What makes you think you will get to vote away fascism? Only one way to get rid of this and it won't be with voting.
Not sure I said voting solves fascism. Only basically said i don't give a fuck what he says.
Ignoring the legal implications, this doesn't have any practical follow through: the states run the elections, not the executive.
Swede here, I'll be honest, I don't really see why it is a problem to identify yourself when voting.
Without using a government ID card, how do you show that you are a citizen and are allowed to vote?
I am probably showing a lot of ignorance of the issue, seeing as I have only ever voted here in Sweden.
To make an effort to answer your question here, the issue is a multi-layered American problem.
On the surface, no, there's not inherently an issue with showing ID to vote, however I'm guessing Sweden has a lot more efficient and robust system for issuing those IDs. In America, ~21M voting age people do not have a sufficient ID due to cost or difficulty in obtaining them. This of course disproportionately affects minorities and the poor. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/how-voter-id-laws-discriminate-study/517218/
This sounds so bizzare to my Ukrainian ears, got my ID at 14 at almost zero cost.
I am studying internationally now (including with several Ukrainians, hello!) and it has been surprising for both of us to convince them how bad America has historically been and how much worse it has become lately.
America lacks many of the basic social rights and programs that a lot of other countries take for granted. It was easier to shoulder that burden individually when the economy was stronger, but now that it is collapsing and the current administration is further cutting social programs, some people are falling completely out of the system. It's why the criminalization of homelessness is so terrifying. It is a pit everyone will fall into eventually. America is on a very bad path towards fascism and we have typically voted down social assistance programs because there is a belief that individually we do not need them and that people that do are social and economic leeches.
I mean Ukraine has the opposite problem, soviet created a system where only having connections with people in power matters. And trust me, you'd rather be discriminated by wealth rather by not being part of someone's family.
Post-soviet, majority of economy was state-controlled, lots of money go through state via taxes. This created a class of oligarchs who gained their wealth controlling state owned factories and leeching money to their personal accounts. These people own TV channels and elect their politicians on populist leftist platforms. Ofc they don't deliver, but hey, lots of money are spent on social net, got stolen along the way to the end user.
Naturally, oligarchs have no interests in other people to be able to open up their businesses or whatever. So smart people in Ukraine do look up on how capitalism works, cause more private money would circulate in the country, the faster things will change.
Oh yes, I don't mean to imply anyone has it good, we're all screwed in different ways. Just to say that the US is often not what it appears at all.
Capitalism creates oligarchs in different ways. Without taxes, Elon Musk has accrued immense wealth. There is almost literally no way for him to spend $400B of his wealth and return it to the economy. He can't buy groceries or patronize stores to any meaningful degree. Large purchases such as super yachts just move the money to somewhere else. Without some sort of taxation to redistribute that wealth it sits with him like a bloated tick and allows him as a single, private citizen to put his fingers on the political scales of whoever wants a slice.
I don't know what the solution is ... 
There are no government ID cards in the US. In order to vote, you have to actively register. Which is a barrier that can be abused to exclude minorities. E.g. there has been states mandating that you provide an address with street name and house number in order to register, excluding homeless people and people living in rural areas, especially Native Americans, from voting.
The whole "register to vote" is completely foreign to me, here every citizen is automatically eligible to vote and get summoned automatically once they are old enough to vote.
As for ID cards, you can use your driving license as your ID card inside Sweden, including for elections, other ID cards are easy to get, costs about 50USD for a national ID card (valid throughout the EU) or the same for a proper passport.
There are plenty of police stations where you can request a national ID card and a passport.
I suspect the situation is quite different in the US...
Yes, it is. The US is so proud at being the first modern democracy - but the flaws of being a prototype show. Every other country on Earth could learn from the flaws of the US political system, but they are more or less stuck in the 18^th^ century.
The US constitution was an absolute marvel of forward thinking when it was written.
Sadly over the centuries it has been turned into a holy relic that should be worshipped while the meaning of it has been lost.
We can use driving licenses and passports too, but neither is universal. Many people don't drive, and only approximately 50% of eligible citizens have a passport.
The concern is that adding another barrier to voting directly equates to more voter suppression.
We already suppress many voters here in the states; from gerrymandering to polling location shenanigans if there is a way to keep non-whites from voting the republicans will take it. We don’t need to give them more tools to shape the outcome.
You already need to register to vote with an address where your ballot gets sent to, and your name goes on a list for your polling location so you have to check in. There’s no real need for a new formal document.
Its just dumb. Elections are at a neighborhood level. Its insanely hard to know enough people in your neighborhood are not going to vote with 100 percent certainty. Which is what you need to find a stand in for them and have that stand in go vote. Also you need enough stand in people, because its kinda obvious if the same person keeps coming in with different names. Also, the stand in people need to coordinate their own vote in their actual district. On top of it all, this needs to be coordinated in complete secrecy as well. Or you could just hack an electronic machine. Hope this helps you understand the sheer waste of time this issue is designed to be, so we dont question why we are rich but can't afford shit. - a tired progressive american
I've never really understood this. Where I vote, you have to present ID. Are there locations that let people wander in and just vote 1000 times because they aren't verifying? I mean, is that what these MAGA people think?
Yeah, I know, they want to make it as hard as possible to keep poorer Dems from voting. It just seems so obvious like when TACO says gas prices are down below $2.00 as if none of us drive cars. Idiocy.
Even if they don't check ID you need a registered voter name in the correct polling location, and you can't use the same name twice. So even without ID you shouldn't be able to vote more than once.
Yeah... that too.