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I think animation, when the animators care, has improved. Yes treasure planet looks better fight me. But I think the problem is that there is more shit animation now, and we have forgotten the shit animation of the past.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 14 points 2 days ago

Thankfully they’re learning this and we get movies that are starting to look less like plastic cgi and are using painted textures and drawn in motion blur like in k pop demon hunters which gives the movies more character and makes them look like a mix of the old and the new

[–] miellaby@jlai.lu 6 points 2 days ago

Yeah I feel old too.

That behind said, I don't think a modern drawing tool is inherently less capable than an older one to produce magic. Digital painting used to have limitations in comparison with traditional technics, but a good 2d illustrator can do gorgeous drawings with a tablet nowadays.

When I see magic in animated movies, its when people do things by love and passions, and not for seeking additional profit. Flow and Arcane are examples of animation with such ingredients.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 139 points 3 days ago (7 children)

They are still being being painted by hand. On a graphics tablet, for example.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 95 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Exactly, it's not the medium. It's like saying movies like Up aren't beautiful because of CG.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 53 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yep.

Those older movies are beautiful achievements for sure. But it's disingenuous to say that there isn't a plethora of movies and shows today that rival and surpass those older examples visually. Not to speak of just how much more fluent animation has become.

Many of the people who worked on those older masterpieces are still in animation today, and have only become better at their art.

[–] Ron@zegheteens.nl 35 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The older movies are more atractive because of the flaws, you see the pencil strokes changing between frames. Today IMO they are too flawless.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's actually a really good point. The flaws make the beauty more human the same way music recorded reel to reel back in the 70s was very human because of the limitations of the day. And it is beautiful.

Not that a flawless thing can't be beautiful. I just have a bias towards the humanness (pencil strokes, tape flutter) of the older stuff because that's what I grew up with.

[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

I’ve been listening to an album of 20’s and 30’s music. So good and so relevant. You have to find live music to hear that now for sure.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

My kid got into Lady and the Tramp, so I watched it about a dozen times in a row, and Holeee shiiit is that thing beautifully animated. The backgrounds are needlessly lavish, and look at this...

I'm in awe of the work done on Tramp's ears. The expressiveness, and the subtle balance of flexibility and internal structure is exquisite. You can find other examples of masterfully-done materials all throughout the movie.

Other movies might get more attention, but Lady and the Tramp is worth looking at for some peak Disney animation.

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 105 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Interestingly enough, 101 Dalmatians was the first Disney film to adopt the process of Xeroxing the animators' drawings directly to cels, rather than hand-tracing them. It's still a beautiful movie of course, but it's also an advance in animation technology that often gets over-looked!

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

They used a lot of rotoscoping back in the day. Basically they filmed a scene normally with real people, then traced over every frame to give us those fantastic moments of fluid movement in things like Snow White, Mary Poppins, and Beauty and the Beast (which also used 3D by the way).

[–] arcayne@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fun fact, some of the more impressive examples from that era (like Mary Poppins) primarily used the sodium vapor process to get perfect mattes directly in-camera, no rotoscoping needed. It's a fascinating and impressive bit of tech: https://www.historicmysteries.com/science/disney-prism/39484/

[–] quid_pro_joe@infosec.pub 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is indeed a fun fact! I am somewhat obsessed with sodium vapor lights and the bandwidth of light they produce. I would love to have seen the original camera rig and their special prisms, but apparently they only made three and they've been lost.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

High intensity discharge lamps are awesome, can confirm. I miss when streetlamps were still HPS/LPS and mercury vapor, the lighting felt a lot more comforting than the harsh LEDs used nowadays.

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ralph Bakshi used it in the 1978 LOTR. It made the battle scene confusing.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Dude Ralph Bashki made things weird for fun. Maybe if I volunteer to watch the Bashki LOTR with my wife, who loves that movie, I can convince her to watch Wizards with me. I have been wanting to watch that.

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[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

A lot are still "painted by hand", the use of vector graphics isn't as prevalent in other cartoon producing countries as it is in the US

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

really?

I know of zero studios that are still doing any painting. they are all digital. sk, china, japan - no one uses paint filmed one cel at a time, or any of the old analog processes anymore. I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't know of anyone that's still doing painted cels recorded on film.

Even Ghibli. https://www.dqindia.com/features/studio-ghibli-blending-tradition-and-technology-in-the-age-of-animation-8921913

"Ghibli's selective integration of technology, primarily digital ink-and-paint techniques facilitated by software like OpenToonz, stands in stark contrast to the unbridled embrace of AI in the recent Ghibli-style art phenomenon."

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I didn't say that they were painting on paper

Digital painting by hand is still qualifies as "painted by hand"

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fun fact: 101 Dalmatians was the first Disney movie to be produced with the help of xerox. This was as a result of the financial flop that was Sleeping Beauty, that almost bankrupted the company and cut their budgets for future movies all the way from the 60s to the financial success of the little mermaid in 1989. This is why Disney movies within that time period has a rougher look when it comes to the characters' lineart and the more simple backgrounds compared to the very detailed, painted backgrounds and colored lineart of all Disney movies up until 101 Dalmatians.

The xerox was a cost cutting method to save time and money and while it absolutely killed Walt Disney to have to compromise on the art, it also paved the way for a new look and feel that, especially in the case of 101 Dalmatians, created a timeless look that still looks as fresh and modern today as the day it was made.

Without the invention and utilization of the xerox, there most likely would have been no Disney company today.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

BuT nO! ReAl ArT uSeS nO sHoRtCuTsOrTecH!

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Disney corporation is a better person when it's poor.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 6 points 2 days ago

Not arguing with you there xD I have basically boycotted Disney. Last straw for me was their Mulan remake.

Didn't watch it. Heard it was trash like all the other remakes, but the thing that did it for me was when I learned they had used actual concentration camp prisoners for free labor on the movie. That was it for me.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

Actual, handmade art and films are why so many of us look back on the 80's nostalgically, whether it's the Muppets, or Freddy's handmade makeup and practical effects, or the Goonies' crew building a whole-ass pirate ship on a soundstage. Practical effects will always be 100% better than CGI or some crap spat out by an LLM.

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The reason why so many people look on the 80s nostalgically is because they were children or teens during the 80s.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

And had virtually no responsibility, with tons of free time, and friends, and play.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

This was 1961 which is definitely not the ‘80s. However, I get your point; practical effects may have been — and were often — jank, but it was real and tangible and I loved it, warts and all.

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[–] CalmChaos72@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (17 children)

I totally agree, Disney’s Robin Hood from 1973 is peak hand-drawn cartoon

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The original Mobile Suit Gundam 0079. The US cartoons from the 1960's and 70's were the best with plenty of lessons from Wile E. Coyote.

[–] OopsOverbombing@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When's the last time you watched the original MSG? I too love the old Gundam series... I've actually been rewatching the og recently but there's been more than a few instances where I've seen some very dodgy and poorly drawn frames pop on screen. I say this with love and respect but it's not a great example for good animation. There are beautifully drawn examples to draw from. 0083 Stardust Memory comes to mind. Absolutely gorgeously drawn and animated. 08th MS Team is another great looking one.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Saw the first one in Nagano, Japan and then recently on Netflix. My favorite is the MSM-04 ACGuy and I built the model kit from Bandai.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

TBF it was also a time before the corporate entity realized maximum short term profit doesn't come from perfected products.

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