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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 237 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Rapists know they'd be punished and/or shunned if they spoke of their crimes, so they don't talk about it.

Victims on the other hand are encouraged to seek help; talking through the trauma as a means of coping and healing.

It only makes sense the victim would be more commonly known about than the offender.

On top of that; a rapist is more likely to have created multiple victims, it's not just a 1:1 comparison.

[–] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 71 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the most logical conclusion.

Although I will say, I've met people that openly admitted to terrible behavior. Not rape, but very shitty things nontheless.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

And when I hear someone admit to shitty behavior, I tend to distance myself from them long before they get to the point of admitting rape or any other form of SA.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 103 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Because the same few guys are raping a lot of different women.

Because most non-rapist guys choose not to associate with predatory guys, while the latter's victims didn't have a choice in the matter.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

Because most non-rapist guys choose not to associate with predatory guys

That explains a lot. A guy in my high school touched a girl's breast. We ostracised him then he went to another school and never heard from again.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 month ago (25 children)

It bothers me that anyone pointing to the majority of men who are not rapists, is getting branded as a rape apologist.

As a guy, I can say with certainty that I've never been involved in, nor known about anyone who was the perpetrator of rape.

I firmly believe that the perpetrators, specifically the male perpetrators of rape, if they tell anyone, they say it as a regular sexual encounter. Ladies, we don't go into details taking about who did what in the bedroom. The most I've ever heard from any guy about their sexual exploits, is that they happened "I banged her" (or similar), and sometimes a quip about the experience or the person, eg: "it was great" or "she's a freak (in bed)" or similar.

The reason we don't know that the people we know are rapists, is because they're not coming out and telling us about it. I promise, if they did, they wouldn't be free for long. They'd either end up in jail, or beaten bloody by the majority of us (or worse).

Generally we just don't say much about what happens in the bedroom, to eachother.

[–] Jinarched@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Agreed.

I am a man and I am a victim of repeated child sexual abuse. It has broken me forever. While I don't feel comfortable explaining what effects it had on me, let's say that I'll never be a normal functioning person because of what was done to me.

To what you said I would like to add that some of us are victims too and being generalized and then labeled as rapists or apologists is so fucking triggering, it's actually madening. The idea of being associated with my perpetrator is intolerable.

I get it that sexual misconducts are more prevalent in men, but something like 1 in 6 boys will experience some sort of sexual abuse. That is a shitton of victims being labeled as rapist apologists.

Anyways, like you, I think we can have this discussion without aggressively accusing all members of a given gender.

Especially lately with all the Epstein stuff being discussed, I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling trapped in a constant spiral of flashbacks and stuck in a non-stop dissociated state especially that there is no accountability in sight.

In any cases, let's have compassion for all the victims no matter their gender or sex and let's focus our anger toward the abusers.

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[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Did you know that alienating men and making them feel like bad people for things they themselves didn’t do doesn’t do anything to help anyone?

I had a good friend who turned out to have murdered his girlfriend. He did not confide that in us. We weren’t just hanging out with some guy who murdered just girlfriend because we were ok with that. All of us changed our view and opinion of this person and not a one has remained their acquaintance after it came out.

I bet I know someone who has raped someone. I wouldn’t willingly associate with them if I knew, and they’re likely not going to out themselves. I know that none of the people I know would continue to associate with someone like that if we knew.

People hide shit, people do awful things, othering and hating only makes out groups and creates greater rifts.

This picture makes a pretty good point BUT when lodged as a bomb at half the population it’s like punching a lifeguard in the mouth.

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[–] NIB@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago (49 children)

If 1 in 100 men is a rapist, then he can rape a lot more women than 1 in 100. Very few people are responsible for most occasions, similarly with divorces, etc.

Also why would anyone admit to being a rapist?

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[–] riverSpirit@thelemmy.club 52 points 1 month ago (6 children)

RAINN says only 3% of men commit it.

So I’d say that’s why most men don’t know a rapist.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Determined how?

I can't imagine that's a survey that'd be filled out honestly...

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[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Only? That's a disturbingly large percentage imo, it's around 1 in 33. Think of how many male friends, relatives, colleagues, and other acquaintances you've had in your life, it's likely way higher than that. We all likely know rapists, we just don't realise exactly who they are.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I can "know" a hundred men and I probably know a rapist, but I don't know that they're a rapist.

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who tf would go around admitting to serious crimes that'll get you shunned from most circles?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Also, I'm going to assume most rapists are serial rapists.

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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I am a man. I do not know the answer to this question and it's fucking disturbing.

Edit: I spent 30 more seconds thinking about it and realized that victims who speak are heard, but almost no perpetrator thinks they're doing anything wrong.

[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (8 children)

yeah..... also male here. i.......... never really thought about this. if i dont know any rapists, that means i probably do know rapists that i dont know are rapists.

well fuck.

[–] bonus_crab@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah unlikely. Rape is mostly a corruption issue i think, like sex trafficking.

This study of 12600 college students indicates that 87% of rape was committed by serial rapists , and 46% is committed by individuals who have committed 10+ rapes. overall 5% of surveyed students admitted to some form of rape while under the influence of alcohol, but 20% of women and 7% of men report being raped in the past.

The thing about a serial rapist - they must have some means of keeping women from reporting them, or getting away with it repeatably.

These people tend to use dogwhistles and form cliques, and once one gets into a position of power they get all their buddies up too to protect one another.

Letcher county is an example of a ring that got busted open recently. The rural towns judge and deputy and their buddies basically threatened and coerced underage girls and their families into fucking them and attending diddy parties. The sheriff found his daughters number in the judges phone and shot him.

Police do this regularly too in the USA, some places are better than others but the whole brotherhood and solidarity shit is basically their dogwhistle saying 'we commit crime and cover for eachother.' The louder they say it the worse they are. So naturally they attract rapists and murderers to join them, and fire out anyone that may blow the whistle on em.

Its the same thing with weinstein, epstein, diddy, in the military, and probably trump with the republican party. A ringleader gets some power, grows their sphere of influence and uses it to gate opportunity or threaten women into sex acts. Rinse and repeat for decades and decades and you get a very small percent of people spreading stds like theyre halloween candies.

And once people are in theres no getting out. Thats why epstein and diddy film everything, blackmail.

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[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's really not. If a rapist rapes several women, there's a 1xN distribution. Then they think they did nothing wrong, so they won't mention they raped someone, but that they had some fun with someone, if you don't know them well you might think they meant they had a date which what normal people do.

So, less perpetrators than victims and perpetrators either don't think they did it or they know and don't say it. It's normal for regular men not to know. I'm a man and I know of victims, not perpetrators.

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[–] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Also male. Any convicted rapist I've heard of says it was consensual.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 month ago (8 children)

When I'm having beers with my buddies we mostly talk about sports, sometimes work and random other bullshit like movies and such.

It's actually very rare for dudes to discuss felonies they've committed.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (11 children)

So, this is a fun one:

  1. A rapist often has more than one victim.

  2. Someone who disclosed to one person may well have disclosed to many.

  3. Rapists tend not to self-disclose.

  4. The definition of rape is badly established between both parties (it's an absolute minefield).

What you end up with is lots of small factors giving the illusion of a higher frequency by counting the same predator twice among women, and you also have factors that may cause predators not to be counted by men giving the illusion of a lower frequency.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Im a survivor of childhood sexual assault and im a man.

P.s. my abuser was a woman

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[–] Klear@quokk.au 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is - and I cannot overstate it - a joke.

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[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I do know a rapist. Unfortunately I only found out she was a rapist when she raped me.

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Plenty of men know Trump

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

well it's very common knowledge that men don't confide in each other as much as women do.

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

FWIW I have had to excommunicate multiple people from my life based on credible accusations of sexual assault. One of them was my best friend.

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[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago

I did, actually. Our college never did anything about him and I don't believe he got into legal trouble. We did kick him off of our special dorm floor at least. Piece of shit.

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