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ROFL this thread is hillarious. OP sure picked the wrong instance to ask their question.
(For fuck sakes: Please do not ask questions (expecially questions that may involve politics) in TankieLiteEdition.ml, aka: lemmy.ml)
i'm sorry but i'm downvoting for absolutely cursed mandarin even though i disagree with this cowbee claim.
Emm, i'm not seeing any issue here tbh. It's basically mean "please be obedient little comrade, mr.cowbee is giving a lecture here".
But yeah the english translation is kinda not match the tone of the mandarin.
i mentioned what problems i have with the mandarin on its own
I mean on the second paragraph, they're not entirely wrong. Chinese citizens do generally seem satisfied with the country and the quality of life there could be far worse. China isn't democratic on a national level, it does have local elections with approved candidates.
It just depends how much you care about your freedom of speech, which is a common western value.
Personally, I think the status quo on China isn't too bad.
Because if a Chinese citizen complains, they disappear.
Not necessarily. If you post about it online, you might get the post removed, banned, and at worst, a visit from the police. You can personally complain to officials though in private with no recourse. They just don't want you stirring up a protest
Personally, I think the status quo on China isn’t too bad.
except for those under the threat of imperialism
Who?
Those victims of the Belt and Road Initiative, Mongolia, Tibet, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, and probably Taiwan later
and that's just modern imperialism
Victims of the belt and road initiative? Mongolia also was granted independence ages ago.
The other ones you listed are regions that are part of China.
Suppression of some local cultures, sure, but that's not really "imperialism"
it's nice that you're so selective about the suppression of local culture and foreign governments.
I assume that means you also don't think the US is imperialist?
US can be more imperialist than China as it has a lot of military bases across the world and actively tries to influence the culture of foreign nations. China is largely self interested.
Although I don't know to what extent is imperialism bad. I would prefer full on European imperialism than half-hearted selfish imperialism. Like building infrastructure in and supporting your colonies that cannot support themselves.
Is building infrastructure and supporting your colonies not imperialism?
Yeah. I don't see much wrong with that aspect. Treating them cruelly is the issue.
Imperialism isn't necessarily bad, it's just how you go about it.
Some of the issues with the British empire is that they left some places too early.
The Chinese treated Tibet, Mongolia and the Uyghurs cruelly, to name a few from modern history.
I don't really know who to believe anymore, after the amount of western propoganda going around tbh.
For example, I went to China. Specifically a state-run Church there. And it was normal. The media back here and people kept saying it was purely a propoganda front and "the real believers are underground".
Some said I'd be arrested immediately upon entering (???). I was greeted quite warmly and friendily by all of the officials. Police were lovely, as well as soldiers
My guess is the stuff we read about are isolated incidents. Some are apparently later dealt with. But by the time said isolated incidents make it to western media, the narrative makes it seem like it's a nationwide policy.
The chinese banknotes even have Uyghur and Tibetan languages on it. I also met a Uyghur Muslim who was studying in the UK, so she was clearly allowed to leave the country. They can't hate them that much. Although China does become really paranoid with stuff as well. So I'm not too sure what to believe. Not like I can change anything anyway.
P.S. I also found out a bunch of media I was previously consuming about China was all linked to Li Hongzi, who is an absolute nutcase.
The halved birthrates for the Uyghurs in the last couple of years is a clear sign, they can't suppress that.
Sounds to me like you got the North Korean Tourist treatment.
Everyone's birth rates are rapidly declining.
I don't think I got a north korean tourist treatment. The water went off several times in one day. The Chinese family I stayed with also got the same treatment.
That being said, I'm not making any claims. I just don't trust everything the media says about China anymore.