Palestine

Franz Fanon does discuss French soldiers who switched sides and instead fought for Algerian independence after witnessing first hand the colonial violence of the French army

Adi Callai, an anti-zionist Israeli, does discuss this in the context of the fight for Palestinian independence in his videos: The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and Franz Fanon vs Identity Politics

I do think there is a place for it, but outside of advocacy groups like Breaking The Silence, I haven't seen any militancy against the genocide from Israeli soldiers who have broken rank.

Maybe the indoctrination and dehumanization is too deeply ingrained in Israeli society, its already been two years of genocide and I haven't seen any real indication of such shift

I'm just saying that the psychotic IDF soldiers are not having any regrets. and it's feels stupid to demonise the few that do.

They still did demonic things and have done nothing worth absolution. It feels smart and good, to me, to correctly label things and not sympathize with genocidal colonists, particularly when there are people who actually fight against the genocidal colonists and who do not regularly receive support, but instead, exactly, demonization.

Western chauvinists and navel-gazers have been placing their hopes in "Israeli" groups opposing the Zionist project since the 1920s and 1930s. They even convinced many Palestinians to not take up arms and to instead put trust in "labor Zionists" who went on to become death squads leading up to and during the Nakba.

they need to talk and write books and go on tours scaring the shit of every 17year old in Israel so they choose jail to genocide.

They need to be bullied and kill themselves, hopefully taking out others like them in the process. Book deals and tours for child murderers? This is what Palestinian liberation needs? Listen to yourself.

"Israel" needs to collapse under its own conflicting societal forces that are constantly being mollified by endless material Western support. Some IDF war criminals that feel bad about themselves would at most be another very small brick in building those conflicts, but really would more likely end up reinforcing Zionism by drawing attention to the myth of good settlers rather than the need for the project itself to be undone.

the stories of the things they did, there's was one who committed suicide because he couldn't stop hearing the screams is people he run over with their tractor. he definitely deserves to die, but if he has any regrets, he should speak out. become a anti-apartheid and antigenocide voice.

I'm glad he's dead. Him "speaking out" is not a priority.

maybe I'm taking it personally because I grew up in a zionist house and I was brainwashed enough that I wanted to join the IDF. when i lived in Israel and saw apartheid with my own eyes I changed my mind, I deprogrammed myself and now I'm doing BDS and marching nearly every week. people can be deprogrammed and they must tell their stories to the world.

I am unsurprised. This kind of prioritization of the oppressor's feelings tends to be centered in those who see identity with them. The white South African immigrants that sympathize with Boers. The white Westerners sympathizing with French oppressors in Algiers. Sympathy for Zionist fascists can come from many forms of self-identity. Most often it is white Christians that see commonality in race and, similarly, islamophobia. But of course Jewish people are constantly targets of Zionist propaganda and, when such a person comes to the amazing realization that genocide and displacement is bad even when Jewish people do it, tend to join milquetoast efforts that elevate their own identity as "the good ones" and still fail to, for example, justify the Palestinian resistance and do direct action against the genocidal war machine. Groups like, say, JVP actually moderate the "discourse", such as it is, and leverage liberal tokenization logic regarding identity to take up inordinate space without doing what should really be their primary work: building antizionist Judaism and identity, to be coherent and proud rather than "conflicted".

I have gone on and on about this because it has echoes in all liberal oppressor sympathies and tendencies to be "the good ones" and then falls flat precisely because it is, unfortunately, still quite self-centered and itself, in the process, displacing the humanity and validity of the oppressed. It is incrementally an improvement for some liberal Zionists to learn that Judaism and Zionism are not synonymous, sure, but they still condemn Hamas and justify Biden's genocide and generally continue their racist support for mass death and displacement so long as it kerps the right aesthetics. They are not challenged by any of this and are not brought into any organized resistance.

You can self-soothe privately any way you'd like, but genocidal colonizers should die and not be elevated to receive positive attention, particularly when there is a need to elevate the causes of the oppressed, the humanity of the oppressed (not the "humanity" of the oppressor that feels bad!), the righteousness of their resistance.

and from a practical point of view, having hoards of ex IDF campaigning against zionism would be a powerful push to end Zionism.

No it wouldn't. It would be used to deny the genocide, say there are "good ones", and make this all more tolerable for the people who could actually end support for the settler colony. And it is absolutely fantastical and deeply unserious to think traumatized IDF war criminals would form any kind of substantial antizionist movement. They would be a "slow the genocide down and be more polite about it and stop traumatizing tge young people of our superior race by having them see the effects of their war crimes" movement at best.

"Israelis" need to have their psychological bubble popped. To not think of "Israel" as a safe place for their master race, for them to dominate the surrounding "lessers" who they call terrorists. They will leave in droves if they cannot sustain their sense of superiority and apartheid, same as every failed settler colony in history. We already see how flighty "Israelis" are, how they are suddenly European or American when they can't bomb children with impunity, flying off to Cyprus etc until things "calm down". Once they prefer not to return to their stolen homes you will see a change.

they are going to claim their own soldiers are anti-semites? that IDF are Hamas?

Yeah duh. This already happens.

just saying that suicide isn't enough for them, they have work to do

Yes work like killing their CO first.

PS you never answered my question about Hamas. You better be fucking out there justifying the Palestinian resistance if you're voicing support for "reformed" genocidal colonizers.

We are talking about a genocidal state and terrorist army here

Most people who do war crimes should die. Most people believe this so long as the war criminals aren't white.