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Feels like the first step before the concentration camps

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[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 144 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The Bureau defines “Nihilistic Violent Extremism” as “criminal conduct… in furtherance of political, social, or religious goals that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large and a desire to bring about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos.”

What the actual fuck? This is pure bigoted Nazi shit.

[–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago (1 children)

ikr? Trans people want to be part of society, not destroy it.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To these people any society with trans people in it is a destroyed society since their society is trans exclusionary.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Trans are just the the first of an ever-expanding group of others to be targeted, including pretty much everybody in leadership in the party right now. I think it is pretty safe to assume that dear leader, whomever it is, we'll become as paranoid as Joseph Stalin and anybody in leadership now will be suspected and purged if they get what they think they want here.

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I wonder if they ran that language through AI before putting it in writing?

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The provided definition of "Nihilistic Violent Extremism" is indeed written in a way that could be interpreted broadly and applied subjectively. This is a characteristic that has been used historically for political and social control.

  • Vagueness of Key Terms: The phrase "hatred of society at large" is an abstract concept, not a concrete, verifiable action. It's an internal state, a motive, that could be attributed to a person or group by an outside observer. This vagueness, similar to the Nazi's use of "enemies of the state" or "asocial," allows for a wide range of individuals to be targeted, including those with different political views or lifestyles, not just those committing specific, violent acts.

  • Risk of Arbitrary Application: When legal or official definitions lack specific, objective criteria, they open the door for arbitrary and discriminatory application. The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn't designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime's agenda. Similarly, a definition based on an internal "hatred" could be used to target and punish dissenters or political opponents by labeling their criticism of society as "hatred."

  • Focus on a Perceived State, Not a Crime: The definition frames the group by a state of being—"hatred"—which is then linked to a desire for "collapse." This is a similar pattern to Nazi propaganda, which didn't just target what Jews or communists did, but what they were. They were defined as a parasitic race whose very existence was a threat, a view that was independent of any specific criminal act. The provided edict, by focusing on a group's emotional state and desired outcome, creates a label that can precede and justify action against them.

This type of broad, subjective language in legal and official definitions is a common feature of authoritarian or repressive systems. It allows the ruling power to define its enemies based on fluid criteria and to legally justify their persecution.

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[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Snowflake shit

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

Because every trans person I’ve ever met isn’t just trying to make it through the day like the rest of us and are causing all kinds of violence and social unrest.

These chucklefucks sure like their boogeymen to rile people up.

Maybe they should look into these gravy seals/meal team 6 folks with their tacticool gear larping as military badasses if they wanna find actual problem groups.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 147 points 4 days ago

Trans rights are human rights. The fascists can get fukt

[–] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 56 points 4 days ago (2 children)

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

This is so fucking unbelievably fucked.

We should be fucking rioting and burning shit down.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Trans people do not have the privilege to do those things right now. It will only further the hateful rhetoric. It is up to the supposed "allies" to step up.

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[–] mhague@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Nazis went after trans people, burned trans related books.

Nazis are going after trans people, burning trans related books.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The destruction of the institute of sexual sciences is in fact one of the earliest crimes the Nazi party committed after taking power.

It's one of my favorite pieces of trivia to bust out when chuds try to pretend that being transgender is a "the last 20 years" modern creation. No, your fascist ilk just kept destroying the records of it existing prior, but we know better now.

[–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 1 points 2 days ago

Maybe we'll save the ENTIRE Bauhaus this time...

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 93 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me


Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Juden einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 days ago

In order to understand the meaning of that poem, you have to understand class solidarity and that's something that neither Republicans nor Democrats have any comprehension of

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[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 89 points 4 days ago (4 children)

You wanna know what creates extremists? Bullshit like this. It's self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 63 points 4 days ago (4 children)
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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Rekease the epstein files you lying fascist bastards

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 55 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

They've been telegraphing this punch since Trump's first term. Disgusting, but hardly surprising.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

All trans people in some sort of coordinated trans army?? FFS. Please. I’m not saying the fascist united snakes won’t persecute trans people (they are and will) but this is some epic bullshit. Level ten on the Richter scale bullshit.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The group defines “TIVE” as “the belief that violence is justified against people who oppose [the trans community],” as well as the belief that opposing trans rights “itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify as [trans or gender nonconforming]... or poses an imminent threat to such persons’ emotional, psychological, or physical safety, including through self-harm or suicide.”

What an insane redefinition of “self defense.” Violence isn’t justified…unless you are being targeted, harmed, or killed, which many trans or NB people are. It’s absurd to preemptively label self defense as “violence.” It’s cart-before-horse, intentional PR spin to dehumanize a subset of human people. One species, all human.

The administration will need scapegoats when its policies fail. They’ve laid this ground work for years now. They want justification for violence through violence themselves in this mental gymnastics.

It’s the Heritage Foundation, which might as well be called “Propaganda Hut.” Let me guess: more divisive, American-dividing ideas? Yes, Heritage, let’s keep pushing tribal behavior to encourage class war while the rich destroy the planet and their fellow humans.

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[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Jesus fucking Christ! If someone should be regarded at terrorists, it's the current administration. Stay safe, my friends.

[–] xyzzy@lemmy.today 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The Heritage Foundation is once again pushing a hateful act designed to hurt a large number of innocent people. It's basically their MO.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

A little off subject but PBS just allowed some Heritage Foundation hack to come on and lie, right after they allowed some Israel partisan to come on and lie to justify their final solution, right after one of their own correspondence endorsed Israel's lie about Hamas operating out of hospitals. PBS was never that bad before.

I wonder what happened to PBS all of a sudden that caused them to give up?

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[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (4 children)

As a self identifying long-time staunch nihilist...

... What?

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They are copying their critics that have taken to accusing the polit and biz owner class and them specifically of believing in nothing. Morality means nothing, only self interest. Entire generations of "leaders," that have no morals, no line they would not cross for self interest.

So naturally they accuse others of it.

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Trump administration is preparing to designate transgender people as “violent extremists” in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s murder, two national security officials tell me.

So not from a report, but from "sources"...

I tell ya, I feel really bad for trans people. They are either being scared of actual nutjobs, or grifters are making shit up for worthless internet points, that just as scary. Everywhere you look, people are using trans people as some chip to play in the on going culture wars. Maybe its time to move on and leave Trans people out of it, and stop using them for point scoring and uparrow farming...

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[–] Philote@lemmy.ml 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They are getting all Kirk’d up. This will create so many more Luigi’s. Things are going to get violent quick. They actually want a civil war don’t they, so they can use any petty justification to kill any opposition. No one is safe except the boot lickers.

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[–] C4551E@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

any trans people in the US that haven't already applied for asylum elsewhere should be doing so now. Hopefully it's not too late

[–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago

That sounds prohibitively expensive.

Also, I don't know what country isn't having at least a little bit of a fascist problem right now.

Anyway, last time I looked, most countries were very picky about letting folks in. Not a lot of space for disabilities.

Most of us have ptsd at least, after surviving childhood or coming out, or both.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, they are being denied asylum on account of not being murdered in the streets en masse.

[–] C4551E@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They aren't? Aren't trans women of color the #1 most murdered demographic?

Ohhh I see, you mean no more than usual

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Not systematically yet. Thats the problem. And yet pink coding is a thing in US prisons

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (29 children)

But I couldn’t vote for Harris because she didn’t spend enough time talking about her policies.

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[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

No-voters, you contributed to this.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Trans folks should consider getting the fuck out of this shithole country before it's too late

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Trans, people with disabilities, minorities, and homeless people are the first ones that will be executed. Then they'll move on to other groups.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

First time I ever see violent and trans in the same sentene. Never heard of a single violent trans person. If this is true, this FBI is flushing its own credibility. My go-to person on the topic of LGBQT is RuPaul so I'll need his comments.

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I’m a terrorist. I’m a leftist, anti-fascist, and I think trans people should have civil rights and be undisturbed.

Actually that might make me a double terrorist.

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is just so obvious, isn't it?

The only people who support this or think it's normal, are people at the bottom of the bell curve. The extremely unintelligent, uneducated, deeply indoctrinated.

You've got to be borderline mentally handicapped to not see this as nonsense.

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[–] FoxyFerengi@startrek.website 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Weird, all I've ever heard about is how high the suicide rate is among trans people, nothing about murder rate.

Also weird to consider "trans rights are human rights" to be nihilistic (Political belief or action that advocates or commits violence or terrorism without discernible constructive goals)

Edit: I meant as in trans people murdering other people. Trans people are overwhelmingly victims of violence than perpetrators

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Lol so many words. Drugs we're involved in the naming.

SOURCE: I do some drugs.

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