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BBC uncovers Russian-funded fake news network aims to disrupt European election (www.bbc.com)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by Shalashaska@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

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[–] Greenbird@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Putin has been a problem for so fucking long. Why WHY can he not be solved?

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because a lot of heads of state either do this too, or dream of doing it. So if Pootin gets in trouble, they would have to be punished too.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

They all want to control the narrative on social media. And to destroy traditional media.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Nukes.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago

Won't someone rid me of this turbulent dictator?

[–] miked@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Kompramat?

[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

A disinformation isn't wxatillegql B you can't just kill someone you don't like

[–] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I bet they were behind that genocide Joe stuff

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

To be clear, Biden's own waffling on the Israel-Palestine situation was behind the "Genocide Joe" stuff, but that's the thing with effective propaganda really. It's about knowing what negatives to magnify and what positives to obfuscate. If it's rooted in truth, it's easier for it to catch on.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

What Kremlin does is take some truthful concerns and genuine discontent, and add fuel to the fire.

[–] apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But anyone with a fraction of a brain knew what was going to happen if Trump won…… which was exponentially more genocide in Gaza. So, if a less than mentally competent person fell for the genocide Joe marketing campaign and decided top opt-out, they are partly responsible for escalating genocide themselves.

I don’t imagine most of them would feel that way because they also can’t rub two sticks together.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

every single "it can't get worse, it's already a genocide" fool is… a fool

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

At least partly, yes.

[–] Certamen@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

buut immigration ;)

[+] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -70 points 4 days ago (4 children)

They must be losing, so bring in Russian red scare to blame them.

[–] Shalashaska@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This sounds exactly like what a Russian would say 🤔

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Russian red scare

Nothing "Red" (or socialists) left in this Ruzzia. And in China, maybe in name only. Hasn't been in a long while. Please update your propaganda.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Liberals are using the same tactics now that they did in the 50s regarding Russia. Trying to deflect away from their own failures and blame it on someone else.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This happened to the US before. It seems like Russia is simply using a proven strategy once again.

NOTE: If you resort to personally attacking me as a response I will block you.

[+] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Please block me. I don’t like attacking you. But I also dislike random threats for no reason. What are you trying to achieve with this announcement? Are you trying to scare others off? Are you afraid of replies? Because you would read the reply anyways first, before blocking.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

watch the alt right playbook. bad faith actors try to "win" arguments by always being the last to post. if you realize you're in a conversation with a troll you have to make a concerted effort to ensure its clear your lack of a response to their final message was due to a set of terms you set and clarify that they are acting in bad faith. you will look like a loser to a set of people the troll is trying to influence, but you will reduce the damage compared to if you simply don't respond back.

however, i do think the poster you've replied to has made a mistake if they already think this is a bad faith actor rather than an honest to goodness human being they disagree with in that the number one rule is to not engage at all. i will however give the credit that saying "keep it on the topic at hand" does give the threadstarter an opportunity to discuss this reasonably rather than just assume they're a troll. overall, i would give this trategy a 7/10. i respect it, but i don't think i'd try it myself

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for elaborating. Wouldn’t it make more sense to just say “don’t even reply, as I will not read it anyways, as I have blocked you”? And how does this strategy make them any different, compared to the ones you call bad faith actors?

Someone will be the last poster, you cannot avoid this. I understand how the strategy of having the final word works. I just would like to understand what to do against that strategy properly.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

too long; don't read: @Quill7513@slrpnk.net goes on a long in depth explainer on alt right strategies, avoiding having them toll your mental health, and how to make more effective pro-peace propaganda online.

you really have to go point by point summarizing the conversation once you've gotten into a bad faith argument. it's just the best known strategy for reducing the number of observers who think the bad faith actor "won." the people who think they won were never going to be won over anyway. and yeah, in that disengaging post you have to say "i am blocking now" just like you're saying so it's clear to later observers that it was a conscious decision and not just taking your ball home.

but the number one rule of bad faith actors is that when you see one that you think is a bad faith actor, don't engage. there's levels of this, too. i take hiatuses from lemmy when the prevailing conversations are unproductive. generally speaking, i think lemmy only works on a confirmation bias. no one's really changing their minds from any conversations they have here. more and more i think that can only happen with direct one on one verbal conversations. sure, i think people here can adjust their views a little, but their basic political views are remaining the same based on this platform.

however, i do think that lemmy has a significant value as a presence platform. what i mean by that is that effective propaganda has two components: one is presence, the other is verbal confirmation. i've come back here up to this point based on the idea that if i want my views that genocide is wrong, all imperial states are evil, and that we of this world are all of one international human identity despite our superficial differences of nationality people have to be being presented those views in places they are. if i abandon lemmy and assume my messaging has no value here, my propaganda has less reach. but when i have the mental energy for it i post here and try to have faith that someone else out there is doing the verbal confirmation part

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this. Thank you a lot.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

i do what i can to lower the temperature. i'm being particularly careful right now because some comments i made recently about how to resist a genocidal occupation were interpreted as being pro-genocide, which horrifies me to my core.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

which horrifies me to my core.

Yeah it's good to be careful and a bit humble in text communication. Try not to worry too much about it though. You do what you can.

Misunderstanding are part of RL, and opinions about charged subjects are always difficult to convey. Misreadings are also more prone to happen in digital life, because the only context are the 0 and 1.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

who is "they" in this scenario, and keep in mind as you answer that russia has a well documented history of using hybrid warfare to weaken opponents in their imperial aims including, but not limited to:

pumping antivax content in eastern Ukriane
funding AfD political propaganda in Germany
using content farms to post on facebook and twitter to influence USA elections for the last decade further to the right

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago

Well documented by who, the US?