Palestinian Arabs fared little better for 1000 years under the Turks..
As a people, Palestinians are nothing if not consistent.
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Both sides rejected the UN partition plans of 1946-48.
What each side believed they couldn't get via the UN legal processes, they then attempted to attain via their own power & means.
The Palestinian Arabs lost that contest. The Jews won. There could only be exactly one winner & one loser under such terms.
Both sides- Arab & Jewish, chose the path of outlawry rather than working within UN frameworks of the time. Palestinians lost so now they cry as if they are
@felis_catus_domesticus@toot.io @NotImpressed@mas.to @palestine@lemmy.ml the israeli state "won", actually. many of us jews despise the israeli state and absolutely want to see it gone.
@luna @palestine @NotImpressed
Well, Israel is a democracy.. that is what they proudly tell the rest of the world all of the time. Clearly not enough people want change, or things would be different than they are, currently. Or, conversely, the majority of Israelis have exactly the Israeli state they voted for. The same is true for the USA right now, though the majority here has only a VERY slim margin. But sadly, it was enough of a majority to win.
@felis_catus_domesticus@toot.io @palestine@lemmy.ml @NotImpressed@mas.to israel is a state, and the jewish diaspora is huge, just wanted to clarify that jew <> israeli/zionist necessarily
@luna @palestine @NotImpressed
Zionism is a red herring in this matter. It serves only to switch the discourse to the victimhood narratives that the Palestinian side prefers. It also acts to self justify decades of Palestinian political violence, extremism and terrorism.
@luna @felis_catus_domesticus@toot.io @palestine
Totally. Zionism is an ideology, not a religion. The majority of Zionists in US are Christian Evangelicals.
A large portion of pro-Palestine protesters are Jews.
The Palestine issue is not about religion. It's a land grab and white supremacy put together.
Zionism is arguably the main cause for anti-semitism at present.
I shut up now ..
the west established a state in the middle east which holds as its foundational ideology that the people who were living there before that state was created are less than human
..factually incorrect..