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It's demonstrated over and over again, that people following a strictly ketogenic lifestyle, especially carnivore, reverse a lot of their metabolic problems, enjoy great health, feel amazing, are at lower risks for cancer....

But..Most conscientious people when discussing carnivore, always add.. "we don't know the long term effects of this diet"

That statement is absolutely true, but it also applies to every other diet as well, we know of deficiencies of certain restrictive diets, but we don't know the long-term benefits of any specific diet. Clean populations who follow only one diet are very rare now.

It's not quite a paradox, but it feels like a paradox, the people promoting carnivore are very detail-oriented and conscientious so they list the restrictions of our knowledge, but everybody else competing for People's health interests don't list the restrictions of knowledge of their diet of choice.

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[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have long suspected the same benefits (or more) are possible with low-carb vegetarian diets. Or with meat but only one or two servings a week.

Then it's long-term sustainable for the whole planet and affordable for everyone.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd broadly agree, a low-carb intervention will give most people 90% of the benefits, but I would encourage people to do a whole food based diet - even low carb processed foods can be troublesome.

Then it’s long-term sustainable for the whole planet and affordable for everyone.

I would say carnivore is sustainable for the planet, and affordable (meat is less expensive them all the non-meat people end up buying and eating), not to mention the savings in health care costs by avoiding metabolic diseases.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Its not actually sustainable for the whole planet. Meat farming, particularly beef, is terrible for the environment.

Not to mention the already dubious state of meat production in the US, the country with the highest consumption of meat. I don't think these issues would be solved with everyone on an all meat diet. Obviously they'd worsen.

I'm glad its working for you, but consider the larger implications of 7 billion people going all meat. Or even just the entirety of the US.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 days ago

The current methods of farming, both animal and plants, needs to change to a sustainable regenerative model. Any system that requires external inputs (especially petrochemical inputs) wont work long term. Plants and animals work together to regenerate topsoil and are essential to the biocycle.

I’m glad its working for you, but consider the larger implications of 7 billion people going all meat. Or even just the entirety of the US.

Great point, I'm glad you brought it up! Let's examine this.

Remember when people adopt a strict keto / carnivore lifestyle, they are not mindlessly snacking all the time, eating becomes intentional, people simply eat less (and no need for grains).

For the average adult male (lets assume all 7 billion people are males for simplicity) - they require about 500g of animal food per day (after adapting to a fat based metabolism) - don't forget most of the energy on a carnivore diet comes from fat, most of which we throw away now, so that is extra yield per animal)

Given that the current world fishing capture feeds 1 billion carnivores annually.

and Current world meat production could feed about 2 billion carnivores annually.

There is a gap in current production (3billion vs 7 billion), but the health of the people depends on closing this gap (more focus on range land, de-vilifying animal nutrition). Right now we are not prioritizing meat production and people's health is suffering, I hope we can rectify that.

Also worth noting that the majority of the worlds vegetarians are economic vegetarians (they don't have access to animal foods). But that speaks to a historical trend - the rich and elite eat meat, and the peasants eat plants (i.e. robin hood's Sherwood forest).... which is just another spin on economic vegetarians

[–] xep@discuss.online 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Industrial agriculture in all its forms, including monocrop agriculture, is terrible for the environment.

"The environment" in and of itself is more complex than just emissions. Things like the water cycle and latent heat have to be considered too. Look at sustainable and regenerative farms. Ruminants regenerate the topsoil, irrigate ground naturally, and sequester carbon in the soil. This offsets their methane emissions. Also soil health and biodiversity in particular, I suspect, is something that we don't care about enough.

FWIW, I've been learning about how to become a regenerative farmer. There's a lot of learn about in terms of how one can contribute to the good of society by improving the environment around oneself. By looking for a plot for a farm, I've learned that there are laws here for land that can be used to farm crops, and land that cannot. A lot of that land can however support grazing animals.

On an aside, on the topic of "meat farming" vs plants, we should also consider essential amino acid yield and nutrient density when doing environmental impact assessments, and not just crude protein yield. Otherwise it's not really a fair comparison.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The better something is, the less credible it is to describe, so we find ourselves diminishing it in our caveats when we talk about it.

Frankly, I undersell carnivore to people when I'm talking to them, because they wouldn't believe me if I told them all the changes and how good I actually feel. It sounds crazy, sounds like it fixes Everything, it isn't that carnivore fixes everything, it's that the standard diet breaks everything

[–] xep@discuss.online 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Frankly, I undersell carnivore to people when I’m talking to them, because they wouldn’t believe me if I told them all the changes and how good I actually feel.

I know exactly this feeling. If specifically asked to do so, I have to start by saying "Ok, I'm going to sound crazy, but..."

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's much better for people to ask about my old health problems and for me to say it went away when i changed my diet... and eventually they put the pieces together themselves.

[–] xep@discuss.online 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Agreed. Also, I should keep this in mind more:

But…Most conscientious people when discussing carnivore, always add… “we don’t know the long term effects of this diet”

I think I'm still somewhat in the "too enthusiastic about my diet" phase.