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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 days ago (9 children)

BioWare needs to do what the Castlevania creator did. Konami wouldn't give up the rights to Castlevania (or sell it — the Netflix deal was lucrative, after all) and just make their own studio "with blackjack and hookers." Sure, the studio behind Bloodstained was problematic when it came to delivering on certain promises to Kickstarter backers, and sure, the mobile ports were abandoned and the Switch port was (apparently) never fixed... but on PC and Xbox at least, the game was fine. The best of Symphony of the Night and Aria of Sorrow, it's the best Castlevania game not called Castlevania, and it's among the best Castlevania games, too. I'm not sure there is even one that is actually better at everything. They really took all the good parts of Castlevania and, instead of a gimmick like an inverted anti-castle or entering paintings, they just made the castle stupidly huge, almost unreasonably so. The architecture doesn't make sense, but it never did.

It happened with the developers behind Fallout as well. They became Obsidian, and I think InXile got some of those developers. Obsidian went on to make Pillars of Eternity and The Outer Worlds. InXile made a bunch of RPGs too, but I can't name any without looking them up.

BioWare needs to take its talent and go indie.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They kinda are.. Look up Exodus. Feels like that game will never come out though

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's the issue, isn't it?

I see this on the internet a lot. People posit things like "wouldn't it be awesome if these fired devs got together" or "Why don't they make good stuff anymore? Wouldn't it be great if somone made a thing like this old beloved thing..."

...Except it's already happening. Or happened.

And there's just so much noise on the internet, it's largely unknown to the folks who'd be interested.

To be clear, I'm not blaming OP, and I've done the exact same thing myself. But I still find it kind of... sad.


Anyway, thanks, I am bookmarking Exodus and Archetype Entertainment now.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

InXile was most famously the Wasteland series, the spiritual successors to the original fallout designs (1 and 2). But they also did Tides of Numeria and Bards Tale (I think, but don't quote me)

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Dead Cells which eventually got Castlevania official support is very good

They could buy the rights to the Freespace franchise from Interplay. It's the same story, after all.

[–] addie@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

InXile did Wasteland 2/3 and Torment: Numenara. All fine RPGs.

Completely agree that the talent needs to go elsewhere - this deal is the death knell for creative works at EA. I'd be careful about what you promise on Kickstarter, though. Signing up to lots of stretch goals is likely to burden your game with lots of tickbox features that don't make any sense.

In fact, I'd say that Bloodstained (while generally excellent) would be improved by cropping out some stuff. The crafting, cooking and crop farming could just be chopped out whole, and put all the upgraded gear in the place where you find items. Would swap out some of the enemy and boss count for a bit more variety. And 'hard mode' could have done with some playtesting and a general rebalance, or just be renamed 'infrequent crazy difficulty spike' mode. But someone paid for those tickboxes and so we've got them.

Letting RPG designers run completely free from publishers can be a recipe for disaster, too. Pillars of Eternity? Excellent. PoE2? Unbelievably unfocussed and sprawling, disrespectful of your time, goes nowhere fast. Could possibly have made two games out of it if someone had told them to chop it in half and then polish the bits, but was a bit of a studio killer instead, could never sell enough to cover the costs.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

and the Switch port was (apparently) never fixed...

What's the supposed issues on the Switch port? I only owned the game on Switch, and I didn't have any issues playing through it.

[–] whereyaaat 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It happened with the developers behind Fallout as well. They became Obsidian

Ok, well, let's not forget that the only reason Fallout achieved mainstream popularity is because Bethesda took it and applied their Elder Scrolls formula.

The Outer Worlds

Which although being more polished than Fallout, was nowhere near as good. They also had some bad writers with an agenda that made sure players couldn't have relationships.

BioWare needs to take its talent and go indie.

Bioware has no talent in 2025.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

how can football be in and gay stuff out? unless you mean european, like soccer.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Naw, still too gay. Its gotta be nothing but scenes from top gun from now on.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 1 day ago

Maybe BioWare can make a game featuring guns that shoot footballs...

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's EA. They could make gay stuff in games without them. But instead they make a deal with the devil and hope they come out on top? They want all the resources of a soulless giant but then they think they're somehow escaping the taint?

It's like musicians making deals that (unfairly, almost amorally) guarantee their songs play across the country... but then they think they're still a normal artist.

Thanks for the representation I guess. Even though we had to collectively pay to make ME a popular franchise. I'm sure it was all about being true to your morals.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This makes me think of the Ellisons buying Star Trek and Avatar. Why wouldn't they shutter or castrate two notoriously ‘woke’, expensive, questionably profitable franchises?

Same here :(. Though to be fair, the Saudi's political leanings aren’t a perfect parallel.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The last Bioware game I genuinely enjoyed was Dragon Age: Origins, which was the last thing (mostly) developed before the EA buy-up. I'm sure it's scary for the employees, but I suspect this is good for Bioware in the long term.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

I liked Inquisition alot though the behind the scenes scoop was that the development process was a dumpster fire that only came together into a good game cause they got lucky.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why do you suspect this is good?

[–] whereyaaat 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe they get shuttered or are given more creative freedom thanks to the Saudi's ignorance of RPGs and their perception among executives in the business.

I guarantee you, Saudis really only care about FIFA. Everything else is superfluous.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, nothing like an ultra conservative theocratic dictatorship to really expand those creative freedoms...

[–] whereyaaat -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My point is they will be so unfamiliar with RPGs that they essentially let the studio do whatever they want.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Do you think they don't have video games over there? What a bizarre thing to say. They're able to effectively censor all kinds of other media, why do you think RPGs are special?

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[–] pprem@plantex.top 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Les extrémistes religieux vont venir nous faire chier partout où ils le pourront... C'est logique, mais ça casse les couilles !

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Religious extremists will come and piss us off wherever they can... It makes sense, but it's a pain in the ass!

The problem is that we allowed these idiots to amass so much wealth, that they can just buy and ruin everything they don't agree with. If the US had anything close to an actual anti cartel agency, they would not allow these kind of takeover to protect free speech and american values

[–] TurkishKebab@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

American values like what? Imperialism? It is funny Americans (or Europeans for that matter) still act like their countries have free speech😂you only have free speech as long as that speech doesn't go against your interests.

(no, i am not defending saudi, they are literally an american puppet)

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

I'm european myself and think there have been american values before but yeah, they've pretty much been eroded since the 80s

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

They would never, but they should sell the rights of their rpg franchises

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