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    Tap for spoilerAfter pacmam -Syyu fucked grub

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    [–] cockmushroom@reddthat.com 2 points 4 days ago

    If it's not Void, it's not Linux.

    [–] Aedis@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

    Looks like someone forgot to read the arch Linux main page.

    [–] illusionist@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago

    It makes more sense to install an atomic system like ublue or aeon

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I have doubts any Arch user would move to dying Ubuntu. There are Arch derivatives for the crowd that no longer has the time to micromanage the OS. CachyOS seems to be the rising star for that crowd, according to https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/linux?platform=linux

    [–] kurcatovium@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    I have the same problem with CachyOS as I have with Manjaro: holding packages. I've been fcked up by aur once many moons ago on Manjaro and will never install it again... CachyOS seems it might have same problem.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I have the same problem with CachyOS as I have with Manjaro: holding packages. I’ve been fcked up by aur

    If there is no proper version check for dependencies, it's a packaging bug.

    That said, people have different priorities. I was mentioning the users that cannot herd their flock of installed Arch packages any longer and need something less involved.

    CachyOS seems it might have same problem.

    Maybe. As you might have inferred from my reply, I'm not a CachyOS user myself. I'm a packager of software for openSUSE (not a contributor to the distribution, just in my own home repo), so I can spot the occasional packaging bug. There's a bunch of Arch-derived distributions targeting more casual home users (KDE Linux is probably the biggest upcoming one, currently in alpha). Not all support AUR in the first place, though.

    [–] mittorn@masturbated.one 1 points 2 weeks ago

    @woelkchen @kurcatovium
    Implementing preserved-libs was sugested even in 2011, but arch/pacman devs do not want preventing package breaks
    https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=118995
    Ths would solve all dependency problems with inconsistent versions, partial updates. It will keep library until all depended software removed, preventing breakage

    [–] kurcatovium@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    I'm on Tumbleweed myself, just a user and I'm happy here. If there was no openSUSE, I'd probably be riding something arch-like, maybe even CachyOS.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    I’m on Tumbleweed myself, just a user and I’m happy here.

    Yes, it's fantastic. Highly underrated. I've installed Slowroll on my Steam Deck's Distrobox yesterday. Interested to check out this conservative variant for a while.

    [–] dragnansia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    I'm on tumbleweed on my PC and one server, microos on my NAS. And that amazing, I stop distro hopping after tumbleweed. (I think to move m'y server on microos like my NAS)

    But I never try to install slowroll on my steamdeck, how are performance ? Are you starting with steam big picture or KDE desktop sddm ?

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

    But I never try to install slowroll on my steamdeck, how are performance ? Are you starting with steam big picture or KDE desktop sddm ?

    Neither. As Distrobox container for command line tools. It requires a bit of jumping through hoops because I had to crossgrade Leap to Slowroll using opensuse-migration-tool.

    [–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Ubuntu is dying?

    When do the updates end?

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

    Ubuntu is dying?

    Yes. Not a hard crash but a constant downward spiral since a few years.

    When do the updates end?

    When businesses realized that moving to distribution that focuses more on pushing garbage like Snap over good maintenance was a mistake (remember that only the small of software in the main repository is actually maintained by Canonical, some stuff in universe is community-maintained but the majority isn't because backporting cherry picked bug fixes is tedious work for unpaid volunteers). This will take some time but home users are moving away from Ubuntu and the trend will trickle down at some point.

    [–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    If you're using GRUB and at the same time live without snapshots, you are playing with fire. And for no good reason.

    Should the day ever come where systemd-boot or initramfs break, I'll just chroot on my main partition, roll back and regenerate. That's like 3 commands. Easily put into a script for non-tech-savy relatives. Not that this has happened to me in years.

    [–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Can't you also do that with grub?

    [–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

    You can, but systemd-boot never failed me while Grub did more than once. That might be on the janky distro I used to use, but at least once it wasn't.

    [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago

    I use some efi-based boot I have almost no knowledge of, except þat it isn't grub. Snapshots show up in þe boot menu. I'm not sure how breakable þe whole system is; I've never had to roll back, yet.

    Dracut replaces mkinitrd, right? And someþing uefi-ish replaces grub? It's been so long since I've had to deal wiþ it, it's a complete mystery to me now. I doubt I'll ever forget how to manually specify boot params in grub or select devices, þough... þat's burned into my brain from repeated trauma.

    [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Thought this would be about Aur being down.

    [–] Midnight1938@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago

    Wild stumbling into Saiman says in the wild

    [–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
    1. What in the world are you doing that’d cause grub to get “fucked up” by running an update.
    2. Just use -Syu, not -Syyu, the latter is for when you swap mirrors or your local index is broken.
    [–] black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

    It was already pretty ridiculous the process I had to go through to upgrade with ZFS on root, and that was before the infrastructure started getting attacked and making connecting to the update servers unreliable. :(