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Over the past few years I have gone through a bunch of different apps and protocols to find the best one for "securely" communicating with my family and friends.

I ended up with the amazing XMPP protocol and my family/friends frequently use its clients to contact me.

Monal for IOS and Cheogram/Conversations/Quicksy for Android. The android app I install depends on if I can get F-Droid on their phone or not.

It's been great with OMEMO encryption and the clients/apps available for XMPP. But sometimes I have issues introducing people to it.

Jabber (friendly name for xmpp) sounds silly to say. The clients all have weird names. And after trying the Signal mobile app it feels more focused than what anyone in the XMPP community has whipped up.

But the capabilities of XMPP makes it better.

Signal Cons (immediete)

  • Centralized
  • Single app
  • Phone numbers

XMPP/Jabber Cons

  • Picking server
  • Apps are sort of less friendly

What really scares me about Signal is the centralization. Any nerd can easily host an XMPP server these days. But Signal from what I've heard really wants us to use their server.

If XMPP gets more attention I'm sure we can get people supporting projects and creating better apps.

I keep seeing people recommended Signal instead.

This is a bit of a tired ramble. What I wanna know is why anyone is preferring Signal over XMPP apps. I assume it might be not knowing about it. Tell me what you use to message people.

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[–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Speaking of wacky hole in the wall messagers!

https://reticulum.network/

Its tectonically a network stack but theres a few apps, to use it. And MAAAN is it decentralized

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

XMPP also supports federation, or server-to-server communication, but it's whitelist based from my cursory read

[–] TurkeyDurkey@piefed.world 2 points 3 days ago

Such a benefit indeed. Like email, you can use any server and app. Except it has more instant messenging features.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because the most useful communication apps are the ones that you can reach people on. XMPP's lack of user friendly UX or long term support and commitment make it DOA for most normal people, which in turn makes it DOA for everyone who might want to talk to one of those normal people who are turned off by it.

[–] lunatique@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Use simplex. Funny the cons you named about signal, people were arguing with me about a few days ago. (Phone numbers aren't good for privacy)

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It does suck if you do a lot of filesharing, since files only stay in the servers for 2 days

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[–] commander@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Signal is really simple and has a sizable userbase now. I've worked with people in non-tech companies and they'll have signal installed because theres someone in management that cares for security to a degree and does official nonofficial team communication with signal

Element/Matrix I think has a chance. The newest Element X app looks a lot better on the phone and on desktop. It's progressing to good user experience

[–] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Signal & Conversations (XMPP). Apparently the move from WA to Signal seems easier for most of my bubble. Can't understand why.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can't understand why? Are you incapable of evaluating a user experience?

[–] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Care to explain, kind person? What's so different between Signal and WA that a user could not find their way? Enlighten me.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For start, search xmpp on the app store and notice how the first result is a paid app that costs $8 and isn't clear whether or not it will connect you to your friends.

[–] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Well I seached for "jabber" and found Trillian as fourth or so hit. Dunno how good it's on Apple, but I seem to remember using a PC build somewhen with no negative memories. It's free. Your concerns till now seem like rambling. Or general, as in: How do I make people leave WA, which is, admittedly, complicated.

edit: Double word deleted

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You cant make anyone do anything, you can entice them over.

To do that they need to be simple and easy to use, what you're describing is already more complicated than downloading signal or WhatsApp, signing up, and starting.

[–] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Was that too many words for you or what?

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