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Tron and Legacy both made double their budget, tron made 50 million on a 17 million budget and Legacy made 400 on a 170 million budget.
I would only consider a movie a bomb if it fails to make it's money back...
Something like Speed Racer (2008), which is an awesome movie, but only made 93 million on a 120 million budget.
It doesn't matter if it bombs, it's just really cool, striking visuals, and that's good enough for Disney. They just need an anchor property to use as inspiration for all the other things they sell - rides, toys, books, games, TV series, clothes, dishes, sheets, etc. Beyond that, it is one more attraction in the parks around the world, attracting tourists to stay in their hotels, and eat in their restaurants.
Fungible? Just barely more than a well-designed screensaver? "OK, the marketing's in place, now we need the product." "Sure, let's go hire some creatives."
Similar to op-ed about AI Music recently. It's basically background music.
Get the family together for a movie night. Doesn't matter what it is, you'll all be on your phones anyway. Disney's safe and reliable, Tron is just slightly edgy, hey it's got a soundtrack by Nine Inch Nails, that brings back memories...
I love how EVERY article references the NIN soundtrack.
Everybody loves John Williams' thrilling film scores, the guy has won more Oscars than anyone, but they never promote a new blockbuster movie by screaming that it has a John Williams score.
It doesn’t matter if it bombs, it’s just really cool, striking visuals, and that’s good enough for Disney.
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They just need an anchor property to use as inspiration for all the other things they sell - rides, toys, books, games, TV series, clothes, dishes, sheets, etc. Beyond that, it is one more attraction in the parks around the world, attracting tourists to stay in their hotels, and eat in their restaurants.
It's true, though. You market the shit out of the movie just to get people to watch Jared "Don't Ask What I've Been Up To On Tinder" Leto dress like an 8-bit gladiator and do some stunts.
Then the movie becomes another advertising vehicle for the game. And the game becomes an advertisement for the Disney Park. And the park is stuffed full of adverts for the next movie.
It's all one giant marketing ouroboros. From the outside, yeah, it looks crazy. But when you're being shit out and eaten over and over again, you're convinced that you're having a great time.
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Sounds like a better movie. Maybe we can get Ministry to do the soundtrack.
Disney needs to be broken up; they control too much in the US.
I loved Tron Legacy. Maybe it was the right movie for me at the time but I couldn't believe it did so poorly. Amazing visuals/art direction, amazing soundtrack, and decently solid story.
It felt like I was watching a chapter out of a much longer book, but without the rest of the book for reference. Yes, cool visuals and descent acting and some fun action sequences. But it began and ended in such a way that I couldn't really understand what was going on and never landed at a satisfying end point.
Disney has a habit of doing this with a lot of properties. SW: The Force Awakens had this vibe as well, as though there was a bunch of companion material I was supposed to have worked through before getting to the actual movie. The last couple of Indiana Jones movies, too.
They don't know how to just make a movie. Its always got to be some snippet from an enormous vision of an end-to-end experience. It's not for me because I didn't re-watch the original before playing the game and solving the secret riddle that ships me a copy of the comic book that kinda sorta explains wtf is going on.
as though there was a bunch of companion material I was supposed to have worked through before getting to the actual movie.
Those movies are all sequels. There is companion material - the movies they're sequels to
There's a huge time gap between the original Tron and Legacy. The sentient computer protagonist and her tribe are just kinda revealed and then dropped. Maybe they had additional content planned for release and it died on the drawing board. But so much of the story revolves around the fighting, the in-movie world building remains comparatively threadbare.
Compare that to The Matrix or Jurassic Park, both of which do a better job of building out the world even within the context of conflict between the main characters and the various world hazards.
The sentient computer protagonist and her tribe are just kinda revealed and then dropped because CLU killed them all and she is the last one.
The ISO's, they were going to be my gift to the world.
Flynn was planning to bring the ISOs into the real world
And then CLU betrays Flynn and kills all the ISOs except Quorra, who escaped with Flynn off the grid
There's a huge time gap between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens, but everyone understands that you're gonna be lost if you just jump into The Force Awakens blind.
I'm not trying to excuse bad writing, don't get me wrong - there are definitely problems with The Force Awakens and with Tron: Legacy that should have been solved in the writing room, and even then they probably wouldn't hold up to franchises like Jurassic Park or The Matrix. I just think it's kinda funny that you pointed out that it feels like there should be companion material for these movies, even though there absolutely is companion material for these movies.
I liked it too. It was basically just a long music video for Daft Punk with cool visuals. Looks like Nine Inch Nails does the soundtrack for this one, which I also like. I won't watch it in the movie theater (haven't been in years), but I will definitely torrent it when it comes out on home release.
I think the problem was that Tron wasn't exactly a super beloved, super popular franchise but it was like they expected it to be and marketed the movie like it was. I also realized I remember basically nothing about the plot and all my fond memories of the movie are the visuals and soundtrack. I almost think it would have been better if the movie had nothing to do with "Tron" and was just its own thing inspired by Tron, but then it would have never gotten the funding that it got.
Someone asked what makes the original Tron so good the other day and, even as a fan of Tron, I could not come up with an answer.
I just think it's neat.
Back in 82 we weren't all carrying an internet link in our pocket. Computers were in arcades and sometimes at work (but only used by specialists.) Impossible to recapture that moment in time.
It was a product of its time. Had the story and certainly the same effects been released decades later it wouldn't have gone anywhere. That's where Legacy was able to succeed, they didn't just run with a sequel of the same stuff, they took what Tron started and added things relevant to a modern audience. I have yet to see Ares so I can't say if it brings anything new besides flashier graphics (maybe too flashy?)
In it's time, the special effects were mind blowing. We little boys were like, "OMG! Light cycles!"
The original Tron was pretty groundbreaking as a movie released in 1982, at least from the visual perspective.
It spawned a bunch of derivative works - the animated show Reboot, the Matrix franchise, games like the CCG "Netrunner", books like Neuromancer and Ready Player One.
Nevermind all the technical hurdles they had to accomplish in order to generate these effects. No way you get to Toy Story or the Marvel franchises without the entry-level effort of Information International, Inc. or Mathematical Applications Group.
Surface level, sure. It was your standard "Computers Ate My Dad" silly Disney story. But it mainlined a certain flavor of SciFi/Fantasy and popularized animation techniques that have matured substantially since then.
First tron is boring as balls with good visuals.
Legacy was entertaining while still boring as balls but that soundtrack may well be the best soundtrack ever made. Plus it has the most banging pinball machine release ever.
I won't watch anything with Jared Leto in it. Ever.
I used to think the only thing I ever liked him in was Party of Five. Then I realized he wasn't even in that.
As someone who doesn't know who Jared Leto is: why? Is he that bad of an actor, or is there something else?
For one, he's the leader of a cult where he cosplays as Jesus and allegedly sexually assaults people
Tron: Arse would be a better name for the new installment
if you're someone who can enjoy art partially made by not-so-great to awful people, give it a watch. NIN fucking killed it with the soundtrack, it looks awesome, the writing is weirdly decent (good writing in a TRON movie? wtf??), and the acting is better than it has any right to be. thoroughly enjoyable imo
my favorite franchise is Firefly so I'm used to stuff I like being made by awful people :(
I have to disagree on the NIN soundtrack. I am a big fan of theirs but this was just a complete let down. There were maybe two notable tracks, and even then they were nothing to share with anyone. Trent Reznor has done way better music for movies in the past.
First of all, check out !nin@lemmy.world
Second, I like this mix that re-frames the soundtrack as an EP:
So you got the 4 lyrics songs, introduced by the instrumentals that echo them, and with a 5th instrumental song as the end credits. It's basically an EP, so you can compare it to the events/violence/witch EPs.
It's a slight step down. With the previous EPs, I get the feeling Trent and Atticus had new ideas they wanted to explore. For this EP, it sounds like they were hired for a job. (hey nothing wrong with that, but the motivation's different.)
"Init/Shadow Over Me" is ok, kinda standard. "I Know You Can Feel It" is probably the best of the four, though still just re-hashing older ideas. "Target Identified/Infiltrator/As Alive As You Need Me to Be" is a great song but I associate it too much with that trailer involving the guy from Morbius. "Who Wants to Live Forever?" really should be the best song, BUT by all the gods that woman's voice is so weak! Is that some kinda post-ironic thing they're going for that I just don't get? "New Directive" is just another instrumental, the person who remixed this coulda left it off. Tho I do gotta say I like how the instrumentals reference both Daft Punk 's and Wendy Carlos' soundtracks.
I hate to say it, but I agree. It felt mostly like a Trent Reznor soundtrack with a few proper NIN songs added on. It wasn't bad, but it didn't live up to my expectations. Oh well, at least it got NIN back together for a tour. I thought I'd never be able to see them live again.
Soundtrack on the ~~Deadmau5~~ Daft Punk Tron was banging as well. NIN did the soundtrack for this one? How did I not know this. Gonna crank the sub to 11.
I know my next pick for family movie night.
Firefly made by awful people? I guess you mean whedon? Or are there others?
Adam Baldwin has been pretty far-right/anti-feminism/anti-LGBTQ/anto-“woke” for a long time. He’s MAGA. He was even a GamerGater back in the day.
Jeff Bridges. Love him as the Dude (obviously) but also loved him in Tron. I think he’s actually a pretty underrated actor because of how famous he is in The Big Lebowski.
Loved the first one, second one was ok, i refuse to watch Jared leto
All of this had happened before, all of this will happen again
