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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 99 points 11 months ago

99% is pretty impressive, most species have 100% mortality rate

[-] Shawdow194@kbin.social 38 points 11 months ago

That's an interesting point!

Any animal that changes or metamorphosises into a different animal technically has a less than 100% mortality rate

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Hmm, interesting indeed! I get what you're trying to say, but I would also tend to believe that it's still the same animal? If not that, then wouldn't the caterpillar cease to exist when it metamorphosised into something else?

[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Caterpillar is not actually an animal though, it's a stage of life.

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Aah indeed, now I'm aware :)

[-] Shawdow194@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

I would also lean closer towards 'same animal' but its physical morphology undergoes such drastic changes its definitely blurred lines

Psychologically I think there are tests that show butterflies and moths retain memories from pre-metamorphisis stages

Metaphysical questions are so cool just because we may never be able to answer them!!!

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

As mentioned in one of the comments, since caterpillar is just a stage of life, I guess it isn't as much of a contradiction/paradox then.

But yes, stuff like this is loads of fun! :D

[-] DroneRights@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Animals are a social construct

[-] DroneRights@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

This is why the infant mortality rate isn't 100%

[-] Cralder@feddit.nu 31 points 11 months ago

"Caterpillar" is not a species. It's a stage of some animals' life cycle. It means 99% of catepillars die before they become butterflies or moths or whatever

[-] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So caterpillars do have a chance to be "immortal" and transcend instead to a superior state of existence* at the end of their time. Whoa.

*that is, unfortunately, very mortal.

[-] averagedrunk@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

I wish it were 100% in tomato hornworms. Seeing that 99% of them die before turning into moths makes me think all of the surviving ones just hang out in my garden.

[-] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

I think noting caterpillar is the same as say infant death rate for humans

[-] saltnotsugar@lemm.ee 55 points 11 months ago

The problem is they they’re just designed to eat and get chonky. If they had invested in cool ninja combat during evolution, scientists believe they would be not only more likely to survive, but be a lot cooler.

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Some caterpillars are cool and spiky or poisonous or venomous maybe?

[-] dumples@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

Most caterpillars are mildly poisonous since they only eat a single type of plant so they are immune to the plants poisonous effect. That gets into their fleshy hotdog body. Unfortunately most birds are also mostly immune.

[-] theodewere@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

there are definitely some ninja-inspired caterpillars out there

[-] saltnotsugar@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Due to Newtons 46th law of awesomeness, Ninjas are still cooler than spikes, but still are pretty dang cool.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 4 points 11 months ago

sometimes i wonder if life is sort of designed to be like that though. not in a strictly intentional intelligent way but also not in a fully accidental coincidental way.

somebody has to turn plant into food right? without them and homies like them our food system don't work.

[-] GoodbyeBlueMonday@startrek.website 15 points 11 months ago

It's designed that way in the same way as a hole was designed for a puddle*. The caterpillars are evolutionarily successful because of a "spray and pray" strategy, and other species are successful because of the easy food.

Biology is an arms race, in a sense: so everything is interlinked, and affected by everything else, even if only by distant, myriad links in an unbroken web of chains. It's the reason a lot of biologists like myself are anxious about the ecological destruction that's been unfolding for so long. Life finds a way in the long term, but short term...it sucks to be alive when many of the things you depend on aren't.

*This metaphor thanks to Douglas Adams

[-] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 20 points 11 months ago

I thought hotdogs were nature’s hotdogs.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago
[-] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

Little known fact, but nature abhors a vacuum and hot dogs.

[-] pigup@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago
[-] BanjoShepard@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Has anyone run them through HotDogNotHotDog app analysis? Maybe they're not just nature's hotdogs, and we're missing out.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Alien species discovers earth ..... "Holy shit Kang! These little bipeds are delicious! And all you have to do is support whatever community or belief they follow and they'll go anywhere you tell them"

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

caterpillars on that 3σ-get-eaten-set

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