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they just want the fighting to continue (lemmy.world)

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You know what the difference is between a million and a billion? Roughly a billion.

Likewise, do you know what the difference in power between the Hamas terrorists, let alone the innocent victims in Palestine, and one of the most advanced militaries in the world? Roughly one of the most advanced militaries in the world.

TL;DR: To show this as two evenly matched brawlers with the exact same equipment isn't just an oversimplification. It's a gross distortion of reality bordering on gaslighting.

[-] SapphironZA 7 points 10 months ago

It should also have the Hama's terrorist hiding behind the Palestine character, laughing and enjoying the situation. And Iran in the background with popcorn like the USA

Palestine is getting beat up from both sides.

[-] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I generally agree with you here, but you know this is a meme in a meme sub, right?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but a political memes sub. Besides, propaganda (whether intentional or not) still works no matter how it's delivered.

[-] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You took the meme as illustrating the size and strength of the 2 forces? I think you might be creating context where it doesn't exist.

Propaganda, by definition, is meant to make you feel or believe a narrative. Equivalence of force is a bit of a stretch here, isn't it?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You took the meme as illustrating the size and strength of the 2 forces? I think you might be creating context where it doesn't exist.

Distortion by omission is still distortion. A political cartoon that shows the conflict as a battle of equals lies by omission whether on purpose or not.

Propaganda, by definition, is meant to make you feel or believe a narrative. Equivalence of force is a bit of a stretch here, isn't it?

Not really, no. There are many ways to implant false realities in the minds of people, and it's most effective when they don't notice.

Giving the false impression of it being a fair fight makes the genocidal actions of Israel seem justified on the grounds of "Israel has the right to defend itself"

[-] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

You're not wrong about how propaganda works. Like... at all. I just don't see it here.

[+] ctobrien84@lemmy.world -6 points 10 months ago

Kind of forgetting the rest of the Muslim world that wants Palestine obliterated and all jews murdered. It's literally what they say out loud. It's part of their strictly adhered to religious doctrine. Now tell me what a Muslim theocracy would do if Palestine was obliterated. Would they welcome the progressives and LGBTQ+ crowd with open arms? I honestly want to know your thoughts.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Kind of forgetting the rest of the Muslim world that wants Palestine obliterated and all jews murdered.

Hostile rhetoric can be dangerous, sure. Your people being systematically and deliberately eradicated by one of the most advanced militaries in the world is much worse.

Now tell me what a Muslim theocracy would do if Palestine was obliterated.Would they welcome the progressives and LGBTQ+ crowd with open arms?

Palestine IS being obliterated. Israel isn't.

Also, the fact that no theocracy of any religion is progressive and accepting of LGBTQ+ people doesn't excuse any war crimes on Israel's part.

I honestly want to know your thoughts.

With leading questions like those, I kinda doubt it..

[-] ctobrien84@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Let's not strawman and say I'm excusing war crimes. Hamas and religious extremism are the enemies here. Innocents, non-combatants should always be left unmolested.

However, the fact that you call the Islamic agenda of exterminating the Jews "hostile rhetoric" is so naive. It's basically ignoring what every Islamic state actually does and says. You're dismissive of one of the most important facets of the entire conflict.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

... and religious extremism are the enemies here.

So you're willing to admit that includes Israeli state-supported "settler" violence too, right?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Let's not strawman and say I'm excusing war crimes

What else would you call exaggerating the threat to Israel in an effort to justify the many atrocities of the IDF?

Hamas and religious extremism are the enemies here

Yes, but that enemy is so ridiculously weaker than the IDF that it's not so much a war as a campaign of genocide. It's like if the US went to war against Rhode Island, except Rhode Island was cut off from the rest of the world and vital resources such as food, medicine, water, electricity and fuel.

However, the fact that you call the Islamic agenda of exterminating the Jews "hostile rhetoric" is so naive.

Is there any real risk of them actually making that happen? No. Is there any risk of Hamas making that happen? HELL NO.

It's basically ignoring what every Islamic state actually does and says

I'm not ignoring it, I'm just not blowing it out of proportion and pretending that the systematic slaughter of all Palestinians is in any way justified because of it or that the slaughter won't make that WORSE.

You're dismissive of one of the most important facets of the entire conflict.

See above.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

And this justifies a genocide how?

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Eh it is a bipartisan fuck you. :( Can we vote for any candidates that don't support the apartheid Israeli government?

[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Not many, no.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 10 months ago

'Scuse me, the Biden admin is putting out the same vibe. Our politics suck.

[-] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

WTF are you talking about? Biden is the one preventing a ceasefire. If trump were in office he'd likely have cut aid to Israel once he realized he couldn't work in a grift of his own.

[-] linkshandig@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Strange to label the “no ceasefire” crowd MAGA considering the nearly overwhelming support from democrats in charge

[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

Has Palestine considered just winning the war? What losers.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago

Fuck a ceasefire, Hamas needs to surrender. They're not winning and all they're doing is hurting Palestinians at this point.

[-] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

Not as much as isreal though, sadly

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